Q: How do I uninstall Lion

Wayne of America wrote:

 

And I'm probably going to get yelled at for sharing that I have an advertising/design/print production agency and Lion works for us without any problems at all.

I would never yell!

Wayne of America wrote:

 

..all is happy and shiny in the Apple orchard pumping out work and making money.

 

Perhaps many of the issues some people experience with OS X Lion may be due to specific circumstances in their environment. That can happen with any operating system.

 

I don't think it's particularly helpful or fair to exclaim that Lion is generally "bad", we could say we have a particular problem under these conditions and has anyone experienced the same and found a fix.

 

We're all here to help and learn.

Fair point. As a designer working in CS4, mainly using Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator, this OS is bad. It is slower and less stable than Snow Leopard.

Discussing under which conditions certain problems occured, aka logging, takes a lot of time, time I rather spend on work. Reverting back to Snow Leopard, where things were a lot more stable, is the quickest solution.

jakekub wrote:

 

I rely on my Macs to make money, they are not toys or hobbies rather tools to create. I am in agreement with John Strauss, I am very upset with Apple for the time wasted in trying to fix all Lion's "candy-like" behaviors.

Seriously, get over yourself.  Apple is not in business to cater to uptight powerusers who demand that every release caters to their specific and often highly esoteric needs.

Apple has made it's fortunes being a CONSUMER product, not a tool for hyper-whiney "professionals", that fact is absolutely crystal clear and if you can't recognize it and conform to it that's YOUR problem, not apple's.  It's as if you purchased a Toyota Corolla and you're pitching a fit because it doesn't have a lumber rack and a vise mounted on the bumper.... if what you want is a powerful and highly specialized professional tool you can either get a PC or learn to live with the *fact* that Apple makes consumer-targeted computers.

Or you could (gasp) just not use Launchpad and Mission Control.  Just drag them out of the dock and never use them again... I know, how unfair that Apple is forcing you to drag things out of the dock and not use them any more!!!!

Apple has made it perfectly clear:  They want non-computer geeks to buy and enjoy their products, so they're including many features that will appeal to that segment.  If you're not part of that segment you can either work with or around those features, or choose to move to a different operating system like windoze.  Don't blame apple for their success... blame yourself for your stubborn refusal to accept the obvious:  Apple isn't catering to YOU.

Micah D. - Your comment is ridiculous, you've missed my point and you've just made yourself the laughing stock of this post.

Shooo... Go away.

Sheez Micah, have you forgotten that Macintosh has been the preferred platform for the creative professional for decades? There's a reason for that.

Graphics intensive applications can test any computer to the limit and, in my own professional experience, there isn't a better platform than Macintosh. I just don't have the time to stumble around in the gutter with a Windows PC.

Or, are you just messing with us?

jakekub wrote:

 

Micah D. - Your comment is ridiculous, you've missed my point and you've just made yourself the laughing stock of this post.

 

Shooo... Go away.

Yes, of course, once again it couldn't possibly be you that has it wrong or is demanding that a square peg enter a round hole... it's always someone else who has the problem, you're just the poor guy who has to deal with all the fools in the world right?

Your point was simple and clearly stated at the opening of your post:  You don't like all the "candy like" behaviors of Lion because you use your Mac to "make money".  In other words you want a professional appearance and behavior from your computer, and you're hopping mad that Apple has failed to cater to your particular needs.

Nothing about that is Apple's fault.  Apple has marched ceaslessly in one single direction from the beginning:  Consumer useablity and functionality.  If you don't like that fact I'm sorry, but again... not apple's fault.  They're not in business to cater to you, they're in business to sell as many consumer products as they can.  You can live with what they give you or you can go to a different platform, simple as that, sorry you don't like it but that's the facts!

Wayne of America wrote:

 

Sheez Micah, have you forgotten that Macintosh has been the preferred platform for the creative professional for decades? There's a reason for that.

 

Graphics intensive applications can test any computer to the limit and, in my own professional experience, there isn't a better platform than Macintosh. I just don't have the time to stumble around in the gutter with a Windows PC.

 

Or, are you just messing with us?

Nope, not forgotten that at all.  But that's a focus that has been adopted by a segment of Apple consumers, not a basis on which Apple built their platform.  Has apple reacted to that adoption and that segment of consumers?  Yes.  But to suggest that after decades of design aimed at familiarizing low-level tech consumers with Apple they should suddenly turn the ship around in the water and cater to the far smaller group of "pro" users is just nutty IMO.

Lion is a clarion call to a wide swath of consumers who don't know a lot about computers, they just want to get the same cool doo-dads on their computer as they get on their iPhone and iPad.  Apple is catering to the largest group of consumers, and some por level people won't be happy about it, like jakekub. 

But it's intellectually dishonest IMO to blame apple for continuing to do what apple does.  Besides, most if not all the annoying ios-like stuff in Lion can be turned off, so what's all the whining about anyways?

jakekub wrote:

 

Micah D. - Your comment is ridiculous, you've missed my point and you've just made yourself the laughing stock of this post.

 

Shooo... Go away.

I think the real point is who are Apple responsible to, and the answer to that would be, their shareholders.

It's difficult to deny that Apples current track has been (and still is) extremely successful (speaking as a stockholder here), sales are still rising and they totally dominate some markets, individuals may get burned on the way (not liking the candy etc) but I am happy with Lion, happy with my stock values and content to let them drive.

Csound1 wrote:

 

I think the real point is who are Apple responsible to, and the answer to that would be, their shareholders.

 

It's difficult to deny that Apples current track has been (and still is) extremely successful (speaking as a stockholder here), sales are still rising and they totally dominate some markets, individuals may get burned on the way (not liking the candy etc) but I am happy with Lion, happy with my stock values and content to let them drive.

Ding ding ding!

People get wound up in computers in general, and Apple in particular, and completely lose site of the truth of the thing... Apple's job is NOT to cater to every individual user and their complaints, in fact their job isn't even to cater to any particular GROUP of users other than the largest and most vocal, which happens to be the general consumer who has only a basic understanding of computers. 

And that's what they've done with virtually every new OS they release... a steady move towards consumer-level development, while retaining most of the features "pros" want and use.

Along the way some people will lose functionality, that's just an unavoidable fact, sorry for those that got harmed in this update. But for every jakekub there's 5 (or more) very happy new Apple customers out there cruising around on their computer in tranquility .  If I were Apple I'd take that trade, sorry pros!

unsubbed, this is getting a bit off topic tbh.

..and with all the arguments above, the fact remains that this OS is the most buggy I've experienced to date and makes for a less effective workflow in even the most common work envoirenments here at our offices (advertising)..

I'll repeat, If you like to get things done on your Mac, wait for a couple of months until they - as they always do - sort out the bugs.

(edited to more clearly reflect my personal views)

Geestig wrote:

 

...the fact remaind this OS is the most buggy to date and makes for a less effective workflow in even the most common work envoirenments..

 

I'll repeat, If you like to get things done on your Mac, wait for a couple of months until they - as they always do - sort out the bugs.

Sorry, don't agree at all with this statement.  I installed Lion as soon as it was released.  I had literally one single issue with my work flow, which I corrected in a few minutes, and have had no issues of any kind at all with anything else that I'm doing. 

I have found Lion to be far more stable, reliable and bug-free than either version of Snow Leopard.  When I originally installed SL it was literally weeks before I could get my workflow to function properly.

Geestig wrote:

 

unsubbed, this is getting a bit off topic tbh.

 

..and with all the arguments above, the fact remaind this OS is the most buggy to date and makes for a less effective workflow in even the most common work envoirenments..

 

I'll repeat, If you like to get things done on your Mac, wait for a couple of months until they - as they always do - sort out the bugs.

I have to disagree, I have upgraded many machines to Lion, all worked 1st time with no issues at all, in fact this is the least 'buggy' OS upgrade yet,

Amen.

The "Pro" group of consumers is getting smaller and smaller. 95% of the Mac users I know are not design pros, just folks that use their computer for everyday, 21st century tasks.

I'd agree that at least 95% of Mac users are not design pros, but does it make sense that the number of pro users is getting smaller?

The proportion of pro users to "consumer" types is probably the same as it's always been, even though the number of Mac users increases every year.

BTW I had more problems/issues with the earlier versions of Snow Leopard running Adobe applications than I've had so far with Lion.

Jason Watkins wrote:

 

The "Pro" group of consumers is getting smaller and smaller. 95% of the Mac users I know are not design pros, just folks that use their computer for everyday, 21st century tasks.

Absolutely correct IMO, the number of pro users is probably actually getting larger BUT also probably at a far slower pace than the number of average users, so statistically the pro users are representing a smaller and smaller percentage of overall consumers.

Pro users, because of their deep knowledge and needs, unfortunately sometimes develop a true sense of entitlement and arrogance about their gear and end up believing that their needs and demands outweigh that of the average consumer.... even though they represent what must be only a small portion of consumers overall... Since they use their computers to "make money" they somehow feel their requirements are more important than anyone else's. 

My entire livelihood is based on being able to maintain a useful and streamlined workflow on my Mac, so I guess you could call me a pro user.... and so far I've had nothing but a positive experience with Lion, in fact IMO it's a MASSIVE improvement over SL.