Q: Regular Expose in Lion

to dwb...

Just see the number of threads and googleing about `expose mission control'. There are so many people complaining about the new mission control...

I almost throw my mouse... Mission control is really painful for some people like me... maybe mac pro users...

I generally open 20-30 windows simultaneously using 9-16 spaces... In this case, mission control is a nightmare... You should not say like this

"3) everyone here is a user. Go here to register your complaint"

without knowing this kind of situation.

It is really really a big pain, totally different from crashing Safari or such...

AND

For,

1) if you think this was post Jobs I'm betting you were wrong.

the first impression of mission control is too away from what I have got.

During the last year of Jobs, he focused on iCloud and the new apple building.

I don't think he could invest time on this UI, because it is far from the apple's spirit of minimalism.

People always complain - so what? Doing it here you are blowing in the wind. Doing it at Feedback you have a chance to get it changed. Me - I hope you don't. I too use lots of spaces but I find this much better than the old way. My only complaint is that I can only move a window from the active desktop to another desktop (or create a new desktop with it) but that is minor to me compaired to the mess it used to be. And that's my opinion, for what it is worth.

to dwb,

See the title of this thread "regular expose in lion". And see my history here apple support communities. I am not an active user here, cuz I have been happy with apple, except for this.

And I have already posted my complain through feedback. Just people showing up here want an option to turn off the mission control and turn on the old expose. It is super duper hyper more efficient than m.c. for many people.

You actively hope they don't add 'show all windows' back in as a choice?

I use both Snow Leopard and Lion.

Lion is fine for the Mac connected to the TV, however I can't take the step backwards from spaces/expose to mission control for my work or personal Macs so they are staying on Snow Leopard.

I can see why people like each - for different uses.  Let's just hope Apple doesn't restrict Mac's value to a subset on Lion for too much longer.

Guys, seriously.

This thread is old now. No one is taking any notice, especially Apple. They made that clear enough.

You know what speaks far louder than words to big companies? Statistics.

Do what I did and show them how much you hate it by downgrading to SL. The usage statistics will be a much better indication of customer satisfaction (or dissatisfaction) than a few people ********, but still using it.

A perfect example of this was the flop that was Windows Vista, look how many thousands of people downgraded...Microsoft took note of that.

Stop winging and take action, people! Do a time machine backup of all your files and software, and then do a fresh install of SL. Problem solved.

I'm repeating but feel the need to voice,

My practical suggestion would be : Dont make an App Bundle if there is only one app in a space, just do regular expose - that would fix it.

This case of 'single app, multiple windows in a desktop' is clearly broken now because: when you hit mission-control, it actually uses LESS screenspace to show you useful content!

another 'fix' would be to make the bundle-expansion automatic as the cursor glides around much like the zooming dock.

Up until my Lion install (i put it off and now I know why..), I was finding my 13" macbook pro's tiny 1280x800 screen punched well above it's weight, thanks to expose+spaces ability to effecitvely give you 2 zoom levels allowing very natural, intuitive grouping & efficient searching.

Throwing the cursor into a hot corner,zooming out and using the 3 finger drag on the trackpad to shift windows around was as good as it gets, better than any permutation I can find in windows or linux. Better than hiding/iconifying or using z-order control, or using sticky windows, or pulling them across with edge-warp. better than Ubuntu Unity or Gnome-Shell.

I can see that Mission Control is optimized for using fullscreen apps+root desktop ( perhaps inspired by the Commodore Amiga interface from 1985 .. complete with the partial scroll .. ) with traditional desktop windowing evidently considered as a 'legacy fallback' but even with improvements to xcode (like the tiled assistant editors), xcode is still easier to use with multiple windows open; it's the best way to 'bookmark' IMO, and easier to just use the windowmanager feature than have to find another hotkey within a program.

A good windowmanager is universally applicable once learned.

(I imagine this benefit would have applied to image users even more.)

I dont find it convinient to have many fullscreen windows of a given program because their thumbnails just get unusably small.

'show all of application' doesn't fix it because you may have many of a single app, and you wanted to group them e.g. many sourcefiles within code modules and 1 module per desk.

The 'bundle expansion' is a pain because it's 2 gestures.

(the way it handles multiple monitors is the one improvement)

If they were trying to simplify/streamline with missioncontrol, it doesn't - they still felt the need to keep 'show all application windows' (i really hope they dont remove that!)- and they have additional mechanisms for selecting windows of an app -launchpad, dock, app-bundles - I say some of this is extraneous.

Now when doing iOS dev I'm missing the way Linux works, where every component of the OS can be chosen and replaced by the user from a multitude of options (...and if you have a better idea you can just fork someone elses' code & write it)

I have another idea for desktops inspired by spaces, (0 chance of seeing it in mac/windows but maybe i'll try it in linux..) - to show spaces like mipmaps  when the number goes above 2x2 .. so you have the most recent 3 shown as quaters of the full-screen, the next 3 as quaters of the lower right corner, etc. You could slot N fullscreen apps into that easily. I suspect that's far too quirky to ever appear in an apple OS though.

Expose still works with the wired mouse. You have to set it up in system preferences. Don't know about the track pad or wireless mouse.

We're talking specifically about 'Show All Windows'.

Yes. I understand. It works with the wired mouse. It's a hardware issue. You have to have a wired mouse connected to see the setup in system preferences>hardware>mouse. Options are All Windows, App Windows, or Desktop.

thanks for the info, Sadly I can't find what you describe.

I plugged in a wired mouse to try it but I only see these options: (pref>hw>mouse)

[]move content..

tracking speed {..} | double click speed {..}

[] zoom using scroll wheel [ ... ] options..

   setup bluetooth mouse.

'options' relates to zoom only

Is it specific to an apple mouse, it's a microsoft brand one (with click-wheel) that i plugged in.

Under Mission Control, i've got 'keyboard and mouse shortcuts':

options for mission control, application windows, show desktop, show dashboard; any of these can be assigned to 2nd/3rd mouse button. No sign of expose.

Shame apple dont allow the linux options for clickwheel to change desktops, do expose...

'about this mac' says i'm 10.7.2, whats your version?

What was perfect was the combination of expose,spaces, and multitouch trackpad gestures it's the first time i've enjoyed coding on a laptop. I use tap to click - i find it easy to jump between source windows by just swiping around , hands stay close to station for typing. Might sound weird but I always found the mental jolt of switching from typing to mouse input intolerable. i always missed 'breif' chorded cursor key window hopping.. snow leopard+mbp

Yes, it's the wired mac mouse currently available. This is the one with the little scroll ball on top. Actually you can choose to control expose with right click, left click, scroll ball, or the buttons on each side that work by squeezing. I'm using the latter with my 2 day old 21.5" iMac.

Wow - yes. You need to turn off any wireless mice you may have connected too. The Mouse Preference pane switches back to the old Mighty Mouse one from Snow Leopard. And there's 'Expose - All Windows' in the button dropdowns.

Ah, but sadly, it acts like Mission Control, rather than the old All Windows. So no help. Fooey.

thanks for the info.

so apparently - i can get this feature so long as .. i head down to the apple store and buy another apple specific mouse.

I am guessing this is deliberate.

As I say - it doesn't actually work. It just triggers Mission Control. Must just be an old label.