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  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Softwater - Ubuntu sounds interesting. Thanks.

  • iPotential Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Softwater - can you run Ubuntu directly on a mac?  Maybe Mac/Ubuntu is the way of the future...

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    Yes, sure so long as its not an old PowerPC mac. It'll run native on any Intel machine. I don't know how easy it is to set up without Parallels though.

  • Arkog Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    After reading many posts, I think that I can figure out what was the strategic mistake that led Apple to downgrade Exposé/Spaces into Mission Control. I read that teaching Exposé and Spaces together to newcomers (also to people who has never used a computer before) confused them. So Apple must have thought: "hun, if they have difficulties, we need to simplify this". The mistake is that, Spaces is not for grandmothers and casual PC users. Spaces is a feature for professionals, those of us who need many applications running at the same time with different scopes (programming/debugging, plotting, writting/composing, browsing, organizers, etc.) Not to mention those of us who work with more than one screen! For us, the mixture of Exposé/Spaces in Snow Leopard was both an excellent and an elegant solution. Indeed, one of those solutions that let a deep "wow!" out.

     

    Newcomers and casual PC users do not need more than one space. If you show them how to 1) cmd+Tab through applications, 2) hide/minimize windows and 3) Exposé in full power, they have all they need. So, the mistake is to show them that Spaces exists at the first place.

     

    Many newcomers to Mac are iPhone and iPad users and I guess that Apple wants to provie Macs with an environment that is friendly for them. BUT there is a critical difference: iPhone and iPads are a "one application at a time" devices, while computers are multitasking devices. This means that, most concepts and user interfaces that work for an iPad, cannot work for a Mac.

     

    Greetings

  • dc214905 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I could not agree more with Arkog. You really nailed it!

     

    This thing about simplifying the operasting system to make it work in all of Apple's devices could be a reason for Apple but then they should not try to sell the Mission Control as better than what existed before.

     

    Besides, judging by the comments of the people who support the new Mission  Control I got the feeling that they really don't used it a lot. They say things like "I like it" or "I like the new set up" but this is not a real specific reason of somebody who really use it.

     

    As you mentioned people -like me- who need to have many application open at the same time really, really, regretted the new changes and I have at least 3 specific reasons why I don't like it.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,720 points)

    To all and sundry, have a read on the hack posted in the following thread by duosx

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/17858499#17858499

     

    http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp

     

    duosx

    Re: Regular Expose in Lion

    Mar 14, 2012 9:30 PM (in response to iPotential)

    has no one here yet heard of ReSpaceApp?  Its well on its way to restoring all of spaces & expose for Lion.

     

    http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp

     

    its great so far, I dont yearn for SL any longer.  The Expose & Spaces functionality is being integrated a good pace.

     

     

     

     

    Doesn't interest me, but may excite many here knowing there may well be a hack on it's way.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • tmsnnnz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for this tip Pete. I tried out the app and I have to say as soon as I saw that big nice grid I got extremely excited. It is such an instantly superior system in my eyes. Unfortunately the app is very rough right now, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks again.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,720 points)

    No worries. Thank duosx for the post.

     

    Good luck

     

    Pete

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    (...) has no one here yet heard of ReSpaceApp?  Its well on its way to restoring all of spaces & expose for Lion.

     

    http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp

    Thanks for posting. I'm really happy with this news. I hope developing this application works out well and I'll jump to Mountain Lion.

     

     

    (I think petermac87's post is worth the 10 points for solving the initial question.)

  • pseudo-chop Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I realize some have made their case for why they could care less about spaces, and think mission control is the cat's meow. As a professional who is/was an advocate of spaces, here is my main gripe in terms of what has caused endless frustration and loss of productivity.

     

    Mission Control > I want to take an application from another desktop and pull it into my current one. This is not possible. I can take an app and drop it into another non-current desktop, but not the other way around. I have to go to that desktop, or cmd+tab to the app, then mission control and drag that window into the desktop of choice. The death of spaces and exposé causes at least three extra maneuvers regardless of approach or keyboard shortcuts. Multiply this times 9-12Xmultiple apps when you're busy, and it makes anyone arguing about productivity with Mission Control laughable. I can appreciate that some may like the current Mission Control and would argue moving toward the future etc., but in my humble opinion, this is moving backwards and is just flat out horrible UI for those working in a production oriented capacity in which the rearrangement of workspaces is in constant flux.

     

    Just my take. I don't need anyone's response telling me to post in the apple feedback, nor any rebuttle on the matter. Hopefully at least one or two of you will see why this could be extremely frustrating for some of us. People that get it, get it. Those that don't, don't. It s**ks very much for those of us that do. I will retire my thoughts knowing that my prior feedback to Apple, this comment, and the opinions of the like minded, will be continuously ignored by Apple.

     

    Thanks for the link on ReSpace. I hope its development is successful and I would happily pay for this if it gets closer to the original functionality.

  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have previously looked at the ReSpace app which has been suggested by Petermac87 as a remedy for Lion users.This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.It only has to be an option so that everybody is happy!

     

    Feedback has been forwarded to Apple.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,720 points)

    DaveSpencer wrote:

     

    This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.

    Sorry, please explain that a little more clearly?

     

    Thanks

     

    Pete

  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    DaveSpencer wrote:

     

    This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.

    Sorry, please explain that a little more clearly?

     

    Thanks

     

    Pete

    Should read Spaces/Expose as an option. I think most of the MC haters on here will know what I meant. If a third party feels there is a market for a Spaces/Expose type of application that they intend to charge for surely that must say something about the inadequacies of Lion.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,720 points)

    DaveSpencer wrote:

     

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    DaveSpencer wrote:

     

    This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.

    Sorry, please explain that a little more clearly?

     

    Thanks

     

    Pete

    Should read Spaces/Expose as an option. I think most of the MC haters on here will know what I meant. If a third party feels there is a market for a Spaces/Expose type of application that they intend to charge for surely that must say something about the inadequacies of Lion.

    No, it says that someone was clever enough and enterprising enough to create a hack for a tiny percentage of a market that refuse to face the reality that Apple have seen Spaces and Expose as no longer having a place in their future OSXs. The same way someone made a cheap hack for the Bounce Feature in Mail and the coloured icons in the finder sidebar. They will make a quick buck from those who can't accept that the market is changing, but not nearly as much as Apple will be making from their new direction of OSXs. If all the MC 'haters' on here buy the hack and the rest of the 100 million Mac users in the world don't, then the developer will be almost able to afford a MacHappy Meal for all his work.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    In your  "I'm always right view" that is !!!!! Can't be bother getting into further dialogue with you. I have made my feeling very clear about your contribution to this thread in the past.Not really interested in your very one sided and somewhat brainwashed view.

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