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  • Eieiei und pfff Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I totally agree to everything tho OP said!

    Now that my old Mac has died and I want to be able to use thunderbolt and Spaces and Expose I am pretty much stuck to only one option in hardware,as far as I know there is only one group of computers from apple with thunderbolt and native Snow Leopard support,the early 2011 MacBook Pros,which is exactly what I will buy next.Thank you very much Apple for leaving me with so many choices,really appreciated!Also very good that I can't benefit from the progresses in hardware that happened the last 2 and almost a half years!

     

    Notification Center with Facebook and twitter integration? What da..? I do NOT want the greatest data-spies on earth to be a part of my operating system.And it should be no problem to leave one tab on your browser open for Facebook or twitter respectively if one feels the urge to post something there ASAP.

    If I want to know if I got Mail I simply look at the Dock icon of the mail programm,baaam!Pretty fast if you ask me...

     

    The iPad-style overview of all installed apps was there before if I wanted it with the Apps-Folder on the right side of that dividing line on the dock,and I didn't use that,the new thing,I don't known what's it called right now,is totally useless to me.In fact,I always tried to have my working space as clean as possible,which meant I didn't even want to have app icons in the dock permanently if that app opens automatically by executing the according file type.For example I didn't keep the acrobat reader in the dock,cause it opens when I double click a .pdf on a website in mail or the finder anyway.

     

    All the parallel apps on Mac and iOS are nice and so on but I rarely use them,so for me this is not a great upgrade to any previous version of Mac OS X.For some it might be,so fine..

     

    Apple!Don't forget the users who already know how to operate a computer.Don't overdo simplification on the Mac,it's NOT a tablet or a phone.Productivity has been smashed and the OS is cluttered with stuff that looks fancy and keeps you busy if you are bored,but I am not using a computer to kill my time but to get things done,which is incomparably harder now than it was before.Ah,and by the way,the people I know who switched to a Mac recently do not make good use of Mission control either.Actually there is always the same thing happening.When a new Mac User shows you his new toy,he or she presses the mission control button once,says:Look how cool that is,and presses it again... yeah great,it's there for the effect,because it looks cool.. This is so annoying,I can't really describe it.You took something away that was an essential part of a lot of people's workflow,and that worked perfectly for something maybe a few who do not know better use just because its there.

     

    So what I would like to see happening is that a lot of the new stuff should be optional.I want to be able to deactivate Notification Center completely.I want to be able to have an advanced user option or something like that in mission control that brings me back Spaces and Expose.And

  • Eieiei und pfff Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If Apple always succeeded with something it was Design,and yes,that is important.But look at apps like Game Center (which should also just be optional,useless crap!!!) or the reminders and notes and stuff.There is no consistency whatsoever,get your act together,this isn't the way!Snow Leopard was really freakin amazing,and I want that usability,a nice design and the support for new hardware combined with optional stuff that makes sense,and that is only there if and when I need it.I get the feeling that right now OS X is styled to wow you when you stand in front of a nice thin iMac in an apple store and play around with it for a few minutes.

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,310 points)

    The lenght of this thread has convinced me to stick with Snow Leopard, until a few more OS X verisons roll out.

     

    Mission Control is certainly corny, along with everything else about OS X Lions.

     

     

    Scott Forstall is out thank godness.

     

     

    Come on Jony, save us! 

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Same here. It's either until OS X upgrades for the better or as long as the hardware holds.

     

    While Apple keeps Pete busy with updates for his Facebook or Twitter integration I can just keep on working. In Spaces!

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Same here. It's either until OS X upgrades for the better or as long as the hardware holds.

     

    While Apple keeps Pete busy with updates for his Facebook or Twitter integration I can just keep on working. In Spaces!

    I run a business with Macs and also have 5 personal Macs running my day to day Graphics and Recording software. Let me know if you find me on Facebook or Twitter, I would be interested to know who uses my name.

     

    Oh, and Spaces was removed over 2 years ago and Mountain Lion is still the most used Apple OSX on the planet, so you have me confused. Mission Control will keep advancing one would think, where Spaces went the way of the Dinosaur. But Good Luck.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    That's what I mean Pete, why being busy upgrading Facebook and Twitter integration when we don't need it. And yes, Mission Control will keep advancing, that's what all of us in this thread hope anyway, advancing right in the way of good old Spaces — it wouldn't be the first time Apple would change their mind (and you'd change yours too, you wouldn't stick with Mountain Lion).

     

    Every new Mac comes with Mountain Lion and can't run Snow Leopard, so at this stage, after two years, I'm not surprised there are a some more Mountain Lions than Snow Leopards (who cares).

  • Thierry de Villeneuve Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)

    I dont' agree with the rule that "if everybody goes this way, it means its the best".   Jumping off a cliff because the sheep in front of you has jumped, has never been the most recommended practice.

     

    There are different users. Mainly, there are "consumers" of "contents" and "products". Then there are the folks that create these contents and these products. Their life imply different paradigms.

     

    I'm not one of the mass users of Apple products that can be sorted in the "consumers" category.  I design software for machines that create Apple products components (and a few other gizmos).

     

    I'm a professional doing development in the Unix world, and so for over 20 years (before that I was a VMS guy). I've been using the multiple virtual displays feature of X Window windowing system since my very first day in front of a shell prompt, whether it was HP-Vue, CDE, or OpenVMS, then "CodeTek VirtualDesktop" on the Mac, and then again Spaces. All built by people who had productivity in mind.

     

    Then came the iPad and the right-left only dimension of scrolling paradigm. Fine. But that's killing me because that paradigm is now exclusive and no other paradigm has the right to exist. That's NOT fine.

     

     

    I don't use an iPad to develop software and invent machines.  I use a Mac with Spaces set with 8 Desktops organized in 2 rows of 4 columns.  As my Mac is fitted with an secondary display (extended desktop), there are in fact 16 virtual Desktops. And I use ALL of them !!!

     

    I have other Macs at home, for fun. I don't care using Mission Control with them because then I fall in the "consumers" category and 3 Desktops at most fit with my "consumer" usage of a Mac.

     

    But when I'm at work :

     

    - I need my 16 Desktops : 2 x 4 x 2 (extended).

    - I need to arrange my Desktops in ROWS AND COLUMNS.

    - I need to loop from Desktop 8 to Desktop 1 with one Control-Right keystroke

    - I need Exposé to show me my 16 Desktops all at once and in a readable way (rows + columns)

     

    The rest, I can deal with Mission Control the way it is because there are Preferences and Keyboard short-cuts that help it.

     

    I'm not asking for more. Those 4 features that are gone now that Spaces has been killed and that gets me stuck with Snow Leopard and that 2011 Mac that is the last one that can run Snow Leopard.

     

     

    Keep in mind the following : It's not because there is a vast category of "content consumers" that are "not unhappy" with Mission Control that you must neglect the very small category of "content producers".

     

    Without the latter, it's like sitting in a big plane .... with no petrol : Nobody is going very far.

     

    Cheers.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    Then go backwards and reinstall Snow Leopard from your backup. You will soon be four OSX behind but should bee happy and suited to your workflow, even though no updates will be forthcoming to your aincent OSX. But whatever suits ones needs.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • Thierry de Villeneuve Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)

    @ petermac87

     

    My opinion is as valid as yours and does not deserve this sarcastic tone. Your paradigm doesn't have to be mine. Right !?

     

    It may well be that you use one of the systems I've designed or have participated in its manufacturing ... with my aincent OSX.

     

    If you had "really" read my post, you would have understood that I still run Snow on my production computer.

     

    I don't care of "forthcoming updates" if they prevent me from getting my work done.

  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    100% agree with you.  Note that petermac87 has nothing to contribute and never has understood the issues.

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (17,005 points)
  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    You don't read very well either. The updates for SL are security updates not system updates. And I doubt I am using any of your programs unless you developed the wonderfully productive Mission Control that people have been using for the last two years. People who made an effort to adjust a little instead of complain. Refer to CT's Mission Control 101 link or Mission Control for Dummies. A fine book for some here.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Pete, you still don't understand the issues.  Mission Control may be fine, but it is a poor shadow of the Expose/Spaces productivity.  Perhaps you never tried that combination.  Perhaps you never had 16 spaces with 50 Terminals and browser windows simultaneously.  Mission Control overlaps all those windows, making it impossible to select amongst them.  Expose/Spaces allows easy navagation between them.  What about that is it that you are unaware of?  Why are you so positive on a clearly inferior product?

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    Do you not realize that Spaces in its old format was abandoned well over two years ago and most likely wont be coming back. Ever? Do you not understand that your claims are just that. Your own opinions? Do you realize you are posting in a Forum where others can comment on your comments freely? Do you not realize that all your moaning to date has done absolutely nothing to make Apple want to change back to an old, abandoned app? Do you not realize that you can go back to Snow Leopard if you really want and use all its outdated features to your hearts content if you don't like the upgraded OSXs?

     

    Just my opinion, as you have yours.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just because they made a mistake does not mean that Apple cannot correct it.  That's the same argument that kept people in slavery - we have always done it this way.  It's not a valid argument.

     

    I use the old OSX when I can but I recognize that is limited and eventually it will go away.  Apple is alienating scientists and others who like their platform by degrading it.  They risk losing that market to Linux.

     

    You have not responded to my points.