Steverose798

Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

I have been using Lion for 2 days now and have come up against a number of issues which are ranging from the annoying to the downright frustrating.  If anyone has any answers I would be very grateful.  Also is it possible to remove Lion and go back to Snow Leopard as my new quad core i7 15" MacBook Pro is running like a dog after the upgrade!!!

 

 

  • Cannot put my MacMini to sleep any more (question asked in article "Mac Mini (2010 Version) Not Sleeping After Lion Upgrade"
  • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)
  • Mail seems to decide when it is going to get new emails and will show no new mails for some time even though my iPhone picks them up.
  • Flash no longer works properly - going to a site that wants to use the web cam gives me the Flash confirmation screen but will not let me select anything (Flash removed and reinstalled but still no go).
  • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

 

Before the upgrade everything was fine and the MacBook Pro was the fastest Mac I had ever used, now it is running slower than my old 13" MacBook.

 

Is this Apple's 'Vista'?

 

Any help or suggestions (including how to go back) would be greatly appreciated.

 

Steve

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 PM

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  • by r2o4,

    r2o4 r2o4 Jul 24, 2011 6:54 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 6:54 AM in response to Steverose798

    wow - after reading this post I feel very lucky. because I have had no problems at all.

    and my battery life was even increased. lion has so many great new things to offer...

    keep the faith - it'll all be good soon.

  • by Neg03,

    Neg03 Neg03 Jul 24, 2011 7:05 AM in response to r2o4
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    Jul 24, 2011 7:05 AM in response to r2o4

    i hope yr right  m8  as i have lost use of most my soft ware and  my mac book pro can not use the head phone port lion is not back would compatbale  with pc coading  wich means every think need now driver i think its come out way to eirly.  wish i did not upgrad snow was g8   mac rely let  there south dow with this so called osx lion.

     

    Neg

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 8:37 AM in response to gbfluteman
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    Jul 24, 2011 8:37 AM in response to gbfluteman

    gbfluteman wrote:

     

    Charles- did you see what I posted regarding my Main display vs. Secondary Display mirroring issues?  Any thoughts or suggestions on how to fix it?

    No idea. Most machines around here only have one display and the ones which have two don't have any display problems. Other problems, yes, display problems, no.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 8:40 AM in response to Robin Bonathan
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    Jul 24, 2011 8:40 AM in response to Robin Bonathan

    Robin Bonathan wrote:

     

    Not true

     

    I have front row running on lion.

     

    I kept a copy of app before migration and ran the utility linked elsewhere on this board.

     

    I have even updated to latest version of itunes (x.4) and it still works.

     

    :-)

    ooh. That's good. I just kept a copy elsewhere and tried to use it a few times on different machines. The icon in the dock bounced a few times and then went away. As Front Row isn't exactly a priority around here (unlike iSync) I shrugged and moved on. Time for some experimenting to see if I can make it work here.

  • by firemart28,

    firemart28 firemart28 Jul 24, 2011 8:41 AM in response to Charles Dyer
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    Jul 24, 2011 8:41 AM in response to Charles Dyer

    How can I go back to SL?!

     

    Continuous crashes with Lion when surfing!!!!

     

    Never happened with SL!

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 9:05 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:05 AM in response to Steverose798
    • Thank you to everyone who has     contributed.  I noted the comment from the poster who said that I     was inciting “me to” comments.  That was my aim.  I needed to     see that it wasn't just me and that others were experiencing similar     issues.  I don't know if Apple read these forums (you would hope     they do) and so the more people who confirm they are experiencing     similar problems the better as it could prompt a fix.  So, please     keep them coming.

     

    Oh, there'll be a lot of people who have similar issues. Apple doesn't (officially) read these forums. (The moderators are _not_ Apple employees) Some of your problems may get fixed. Others... don't hold your breath.

     

    • The poster who said that I need     more RAM – I only bought my MacBook Pro two weeks ago and, under     Snow Leopard, it ran like s**t of a shovel.  Why would moving to the     latest OS mean that it is now obsolete and needs upgrading – this     is not acceptable especially after I have just spent £1500 on a     laptop.

     

    You're preaching to the choir, man. Sorry about this, but it remains a fact that 4 GB is the realistic minimum for using Lion. It wasn't so long ago that OS X ran in 256 MB... (Panther, for those who weren't around then. One of my eMacs still uses Panther, the other uses Tiger, which really needed 512 MB. OS X didn't start to get really RAM-hungry until Leopard.) It should be noted that, officially, Win7 Starter will run in 512 MB, and Win7 Home Basic in 1 GB, but if you run any version of Win7 in less than 2 GB you're simply _begging_ for trouble. I once, just to see what would happen, tried to run a Win7 Starter machine in 512 MB and a Home Basic machine in 1 GB. It took up to 20 minutes just to boot the machines, and trying to access any app on them was extremely painful. Increasing the RAM on both to 2 GB cut to boot time to between 5 and 10 minutes and vastly reduced the time required to access apps. Making it 3 and then 4 GB cut boot time to under 5 minutes and made app handling almost snappy. (Anyone who runs any version of Win7 under Home Premium is never going to see truly good behavior...)

     

    • Thank you to the poster who     suggested turning off resume in System Prefs/General (also had to     set remembered documents to 'none').  At last, Safari opens with my     home page.

     

    That is nice to know, isn't it?

     

    And oh, the problem which made you have to rewrite your reply: that's another Feature, Not A Bug™. It's one of the new iDevice Gestures™ which were imported into OS X with Lion. If you have a trackpad (either built-in on a laptop or a Magic TrackPad attached by Bluetooth) or if you have a Magic Mouse you have the gestures. (And, yes, that's why the default is the stupid backwards scrolling. That's how scrolling works on an iDevice...) A good cure for Gesturization is to get a non-Apple mouse. Lion got the Gesturization precisely to appeal to the Windows switcher crowd, who would have been attracted to Apple systems by iDevices and who, therefore, love Gesturization. Yes, you read that correctly, the source of many of your problems was because Apple wants to get more Windows users to use OS X and thinks that converting Macs into giant iDevices is the way to do that. Even if it irks the **** out of existing Mac users. Go onto Apple's site and get hold of the keynote for this year's World Wide Developer's Conference and see for yourself just how much Apple really, really, REALLY loves Gesturization.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 9:12 AM in response to stephenfromloughton
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:12 AM in response to stephenfromloughton

    stephenfromloughton wrote:

     

    Making an early upgrade to Lion was clearly a mistake. Pretty much all of the software that I use on a daily basis doesn't run including: Mindjet Mindmanager; Conceptdraw Mindmap; Focusrite Pro 40 interface; Ardour etc. This seems to have caught the suppliers out as well as they have been issuing statements to their users AFTER release - all a bit too late then. At present I can't see any quick solution but to remove Lion and wait a couple of weeks/months until issues are fixed. Most (but not all) appear to relate to products that use Java and even with this loaded from the Apple website just crash on startup.

     

    I appreciate that any major upgrade is difficult but with so many suppliers caught out if appears that something has gone badly wrong this time.

    I hate to tell you this, but if you're using an app which hasn't been updated to be at least Universal so that it runs on both PPC and Intel systems by this time, then it's abandonware. I've got apps which I use which are PPC-only, but that's 'cause the vendors have gone bust or stopped supporting Macs or both. I've got hardware which has PPC-only drivers, 'cause the vendors have gone bust. We're in the process of killing the PPC-only software, and over the next few years we'll be killing the PPC-only hardware (as soon as Accounting will let us, in fact) but it's an expensive process to find replacements, especially for the hardware, some of which cost more than $100,000. (No, I'm not exaggerating.) When we're done, _then_ we can upgrade to Lion across the board... assuming that certain other problems, such as the Lion-won't-cooperate-with-Active-Directory-Servers problem, are fixed by that time. We expected that last one to be fixed before Apple let the Lion roar, but it still lives...

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 9:21 AM in response to Joe Batt
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:21 AM in response to Joe Batt

    Joe Batt wrote:

     

    My Canon colour lazer printer no longer works! Apparently Canon expect to release a driver within 3 months!!!! Its a new printer less than 3 months old, why are the drivers not ready at the release of the Lion why have Apple released a product that means people cant even print without buying a new printer??? Not good!!

    You must be new around here. Canon _always_ does this. It could be worse, it could be HP. When Snow Leopard came out, things were so bad on the HP front that HP literally got one of their employees and detailed him to answer questions here. He was still here up to the Lion release, except that I'm sure that he's now answering questions about why things don't work in Lion! I haven't looked over in the Printer discussion lately because it depresses me.

     

    I know that _some_ HP drivers are Lion-ready, this time; HP got bitten hard with SL, and took six months to get some drivers out the door, and some of their earlier efforts were buggy and required fixing. There are also _some_ Epson drivers ready. Most Brother drivers are ready. (I have Brother printers on my home network, and HP and Brother printers at the office.) I've found most Brother printers to be fast, reliable, and, most important, cheap. Canon printers, not so much.

     

    It could be worse. You could have a Minolta or <shudder> a Lexmark </shudder>.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 9:34 AM in response to Rio.stgo
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:34 AM in response to Rio.stgo

    Rio.stgo wrote:

     

    my problems:

    - no wifi

    - no sound

    - no spotlight

    - indexing forever

    - no VPN

    - squezze battery

    - limit functionality after awaking

     

    MBP 2.53 core 2duo 8 gb ram

    The no WiFi/noVPN are the same problem, and was supposed to be fixed by this release. You need to get in contact with Tech Support, most immediately. They may be able to fix that for you. The no Spotlight is precisely because you're still indexing. When the indexing stops, you'll have Spotlight. If things persist for a long time, kill the indexing and restart it by going to System Preferences/Spotlight/Privacy and adding your primary drive to the 'do not index' list, then removing it. That will delete the old, possibly corrupt, Spotlight index and force the creation of a new, probably not corrupt, index. The battery problem is because you're running mds all the time, indexing your hard drive, and that takes power. The limited functionality is probably because mds is eating most of your RAM and other apps can't work properly with the RAM that's available. The no sound, that I have no clue about.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 9:37 AM in response to firemart28
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:37 AM in response to firemart28

    firemart28 wrote:

     

    How can I go back to SL?!

     

    Continuous crashes with Lion when surfing!!!!

     

    Never happened with SL!

    I hope you have a full, bootable, clone backup. If you do, it's trivial. If you don't, well I hope you at least have a Time Machine backup. If you do, it's fairly easy, though not as easy as restoring from a clone. If you don't, you're gonna have problems.

  • by acbourre,

    acbourre acbourre Jul 24, 2011 9:40 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:40 AM in response to Steverose798

    I'm only having one problem with Lion, but it's a doozy:

     

    Every few hours my Internet connection will go down, and within seconds all my apps will lock up to the point where I am forced to do a hard restart.

     

    Someone in another thread recommended trashing my network preferences and rebuilding them from scratch, but that didn't work. This is happening once every three or four hours. Sometimes Spotlight demands to reindex my HD afterwards. Every single time it happens I have to reinstall one of my plugins for Safari (I tried not reinstalling it, but that made no difference), and if I repair permissions after each restart, the same set of permissions for 'Core Services' need to be reset.

  • by stephenfromloughton,

    stephenfromloughton stephenfromloughton Jul 24, 2011 9:41 AM in response to Charles Dyer
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:41 AM in response to Charles Dyer

    In my case, all of my business software products (excluding Ardour) are modern, Intel based Snow Leopard products and they still don't work. I have had replys from all of my product manufacturers and they are all now frantically trying to fix the problems but won't give any timescales. Looks like back to Snow Leopard!

  • by michaelmckeever9,

    michaelmckeever9 michaelmckeever9 Jul 24, 2011 9:46 AM in response to acbourre
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:46 AM in response to acbourre

    I hear ya all. Safari web contents eats the ram and can run away at times. Lion uses more system resourses.

  • by Peter Gaunt,

    Peter Gaunt Peter Gaunt Jul 24, 2011 9:57 AM in response to oxmox11
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    Jul 24, 2011 9:57 AM in response to oxmox11

    Scroll bars can be turned on permanently via a  system pref.

  • by erinfromschenectady,

    erinfromschenectady erinfromschenectady Jul 24, 2011 10:09 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 10:09 AM in response to Steverose798

    Has anyone had an issue with websites that require plug-ins/applets? For example, Target's website requires an applet in order to print their coupons, but my computer now won't print them. The page just keeps showing as processing, nothing else happens.

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