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Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

I have been using Lion for 2 days now and have come up against a number of issues which are ranging from the annoying to the downright frustrating.  If anyone has any answers I would be very grateful.  Also is it possible to remove Lion and go back to Snow Leopard as my new quad core i7 15" MacBook Pro is running like a dog after the upgrade!!!

 

 

  • Cannot put my MacMini to sleep any more (question asked in article "Mac Mini (2010 Version) Not Sleeping After Lion Upgrade"
  • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)
  • Mail seems to decide when it is going to get new emails and will show no new mails for some time even though my iPhone picks them up.
  • Flash no longer works properly - going to a site that wants to use the web cam gives me the Flash confirmation screen but will not let me select anything (Flash removed and reinstalled but still no go).
  • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

 

Before the upgrade everything was fine and the MacBook Pro was the fastest Mac I had ever used, now it is running slower than my old 13" MacBook.

 

Is this Apple's 'Vista'?

 

Any help or suggestions (including how to go back) would be greatly appreciated.

 

Steve

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 PM

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  • by Carlo TD,

    Carlo TD Carlo TD Oct 29, 2011 8:14 AM in response to Madblogger
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    Oct 29, 2011 8:14 AM in response to Madblogger

    having no problems here. I occasionally have to force quit Mail in order to shut down but that is it. I like lion very much. I have a macbook pro. but it should not be any different than for a imac. Are you using a trackpad? have you run disk utility? do you have the latest upgrade?

  • by marvintheandroid,

    marvintheandroid marvintheandroid Oct 29, 2011 9:35 AM in response to Carlo TD
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    Oct 29, 2011 9:35 AM in response to Carlo TD

    Carlo TD,

     

    Yes I have a trackpad and yes I have run Disk Utility.  On my second attempt I booted from snow Leopard CD, ran Disk Utility and Erased the hard drive.  I removed all USB devices other than original USB keyboard, mouse, and my Time Machine external USB Drive.  Once I had loaded Snow Leopard, I updated that to latest version, then loaded Lion from USB memory stick and updated that to the latest version before going on to load ILife, and other software that I use regularly.  Worked OK for a couple of days then when running more than a couple of apps it locked up again and would not reboot.

     

    I put Lion on originally in September but did not use the machine that much as I have a Macbook Pro also.

     

    I know it wasn't yourself but did not appreciate the comment form the other contributor calling me a liar about the age of my iMac. It may have 2009 when I bought the machine.  I know it was one of the first with the 3.06Ghz processor because when I order the machine I actually order the 2.8 only to be told a few days later that specs and prices had changed so that I could get the faster processor for the same cash.  In the house we have the iMac, a Mini, and three laptops and remembering when all of the were purchased is sometimes a little hard especially when your getting older and have a bust life and a failing memory!

  • by Carlo TD,

    Carlo TD Carlo TD Oct 29, 2011 10:27 AM in response to marvintheandroid
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    Oct 29, 2011 10:27 AM in response to marvintheandroid

    ok, i appologize. Core 2 duo is a min also... Part of the problem is people dont realize how fast these processors are becoming... and newer software and newer os upgrades, require the faster processors because the amount of code and instructions being handled by the processor are unbelievable in what they require and each upgrade requires an ever growing amount of power and increasing ram. When I was kid (20 years ago), our first computer had only 512 k ram.

  • by krisfrommontroy,

    krisfrommontroy krisfrommontroy Nov 2, 2011 2:35 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Nov 2, 2011 2:35 AM in response to Steverose798

    see this update by adobe regarding issues with Lion.

     

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html

     

    this is definately Apples mess. Common apple sort it.

  • by ᴐᴉᴎ,

    ᴐᴉᴎ ᴐᴉᴎ Nov 2, 2011 3:30 AM in response to Carlo TD
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    Nov 2, 2011 3:30 AM in response to Carlo TD

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

    Listen andrdroid, you are a liar. Do you know how I know? Because 3.06Ghz was not availavle in 2008.

    maybe read the last two lines on this page Carlo

    http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=imac_early_08&sort=date&perform a=off&order=ASC

     

    ' A high-end BTO model was also available, with a 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme processor and a 500 GB hard drive, for $2199. All models were replaced in March 2009, by the iMac (Early 2009).'

     

    or check mactracker and look up iMac 24" early 2008, listed as 2.8 or 3.06

  • by Neil from Oz,

    Neil from Oz Neil from Oz Nov 2, 2011 3:49 AM in response to krisfrommontroy
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    Nov 2, 2011 3:49 AM in response to krisfrommontroy

    krisfrommontroy wrote:

     

    see this update by adobe regarding issues with Lion.

     

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html

     

    this is definately Apples mess. Common apple sort it.

    I think you should read it again. I read it twice and see no blame on Apple or Lion from Adobe and vice versa, just Adobe working with Apple to update their third party applications. I have no problems running CS4 and have updated Jave in July as was suggested back then. Rosetta was documented as going to be dropped back then as well.

  • by bobwild,

    bobwild bobwild Nov 2, 2011 5:31 AM in response to krisfrommontroy
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    Nov 2, 2011 5:31 AM in response to krisfrommontroy

    Did you even read the article you reference? It lists changes made by Lion. These aren't problems.

    • ~/Library folder is hidden
    • Java runtime not installed by default
    • Scrolling is opposite of expected
    • Rosetta not supported

     

    Then it lists Adobe issues. and there are too many for me to list. There is no mess for Apple to sort out. But there is a mess for Adobe to sort out.

  • by azpc,

    azpc azpc Nov 2, 2011 7:35 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Nov 2, 2011 7:35 AM in response to Steverose798

    I am glad to see others mentioning these problems on the Apple Support Forums.  These forums have saved myself and others from all sorts of issues in the past.

     

    If the Apple engineers fail to read this free feeback that is their loss, and it is a BIG LOSS.

     

    Of course I always encourage everyone to file their problem reports at:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    Here is my list of issues with Lion:  (I have quoted others who have nicely expressed the issues)

     

    - Autosave slows down computer when using large files.


    - Versions takes a lot of hard drive space when working with large images.

     

    "My reason for hating it and wanting it off, is I'm an amateur photographer and graphic designer. Aperture uses versions and saves MULTIPLE copies of the images I'm working on, with each image in approx 15MB each "version" it saves. This unacceptable in my opinion and clogs HD space in a big way.  Not to mention the time it takes to "autosave" in the background, which bogs down the computer.  It's a simple fix for Apple to do and they need to address it."

     

    "I did some testing before I started writing. Example I rotated one image two times in preview if I look in the folder /.DocumentRevisions-V100 I have 2 images 1 is  5.7 and 1 is 2.4 mb, the original file is 2.4 mb, so it doesn't take up any space?  Now lets say I rotated 600 images from a wedding which I shot last week?"

     

    "In just two weeks with only 17 different files (i.e., minimal use), Versions has used up about 50MB on my hard drive. Not much, but look again in a few months times, files with graphics etc, and you'll see  a different picture.

     

    "I'm not sure what the definition of a small file is. But if you look in .DocumentRevisions-V100, you'll find plenty of full backups for files over 1MB."

     

    "No need to believe me, but if you're working on files of various sizes, just go and have a look. You can decide for yourself whether the file is 'too small' or not."

     

    - Security issues with Versions

     

    "I do not like the idea that previous drafts are accessible from inside the document by anyone who might access my            machine."

     

     

    - Resume

     

    "I don't want all the same apps open every time I log in! If you don't have SSD, it takes forever for apps to open if you're not patient and wait for OS X to completely load the desktop and menu bar items. Resume forces the very thing to happen that I try to avoid.

     

    "If Auto Resume is turned off, the user should not have to uncheck the box asking "Reopen windows when logging back in".  Un-selecting this feature each time is a pain. More serious is the bug that under certain circumstances, e.g. an installer forces the restart, you don't get that dialog and so you get no choice. And the result is that Installer app opens again after the relaunch, totally inappropriately!"

     

    "However, every time you shutdown or restart your system, you are presented with an option which defaults to having your system restart with all of the currently running applications.  However, if I'm restarting my machine for some reason, I typically want it to start clean. Granted, unchecking a box isn't that difficult... but it is annoying and there should be a way to make the  election permanent."

     

    Please see:

     

    http://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/07/apple_mac_os_x_lion_the_nanny_os/

     

    SAVE AS:

     

    "The loss of ordinary Save / Save As is an accident waiting to happen, as the bug with editing remote files clearly shows."

     

    "There is a good reason why "save as" was (or is) a standard command in basically all serious GUIs since many years: It is easy to understand, easy to use and it covers several purposes in one very simple command. To get similar functionality with "Versions", more commands are needed (Duplicate, Export...) which makes it less intuitive and results in lower workflow."

     

    "There is a reason the "save as" has lasted as long as it has; IT IS THE RIGHT METHOD! I generally use one file as a template and save it under another name. Now this process just became unintuitive and aggravating to do."

     

    Auto Termination:

     

    "Give the user the ability to disable Automatic Application Termination.  This feature is really confusing beginners and irritating power users.  Clients frequently open up programs such as grab and preview and switch to them as necessary via the dock or command tab. These programs frequently don't have an open window, however, they are used for a minute or two several times an hour.  Beginners are really confused when their program just disappears, power users are irritated.  On iOS, you can use only one application at a time, so it makes sense that the system can quit an application you’re not using.  With iOS            this is not overly burdensome because most apps are small and the speed of flash memory results in the app being            quickly loaded back into memory.  This unfortunately, is not the case with  Macs.  Applications are considerably larger            and they must be loaded from hard drives.  In addition, many programs check for external drives which slows the process down even more."

     

    Colored Icons in Finder:

         

    "Colored Icons in Finder - I have been helping clients and students now for over 15 years with computers.  If there is anything that I have learned over this time period, it is that color is very important to help users select the right icon.  You can describe the icon as much as you like, but the user will frequently select the wrong icon.  However, when you say click on the green icon, the communication problem disappears."

     

    "All people really want is a selectable option for color or greyscale icons and to be able to re-arrange the sidebar categories - hardly difficult to implement in System Preferences. With about 14 devices attached, and 5 shares the current default layout is quite unintuitive and cumbersome."

     

    Scrollbar Arrows:

     

    For those who work with a Waccom Tablet, have trembling hands or arthritis the loss of the scrollbar arrows is a major blow to functionality.  Scrollbar arrows may not be useful for Web pages and reading emails but they are very useful for small movements in graphic arts.

     

     

    Rubberband Scrolling:

     

    "The issue is when scrolling beyond the end of  a document or a web page.  It bounces like a trampoline.  Even disabling scroll inertia does not stop this "feature", which is IMO one of the most irritating things about Lion.

     

    "Like Apple’s iOS for iPhones and iPads, when you scroll beyond the boundary of a page, Lion would give you an elastic “snap.” It’s a minor point, but when I get to the end of a document, I want it to end. Not jump around."

  • by hunchermuncher,

    hunchermuncher hunchermuncher Nov 7, 2011 4:06 AM in response to azpc
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    Nov 7, 2011 4:06 AM in response to azpc

    I often find when using any application in Lion that I am suddenly not able to click anywhere (for example within the content of a Word doc or on a web page). The only way I have found to override this is to press CMD plus MINUS then EQUALS keys. This happens several times every day.

  • by roberto_pampuch,

    roberto_pampuch roberto_pampuch Nov 9, 2011 11:46 AM in response to TheAnimaster
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    Nov 9, 2011 11:46 AM in response to TheAnimaster

    I've pointed improvements that can fix some of these minor flaws. You can check in on the link below:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16677428#16677428

     

    Regards,

    Roberto

  • by timetothinkofaname,

    timetothinkofaname timetothinkofaname Nov 11, 2011 6:09 PM in response to Morgan F
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    Nov 11, 2011 6:09 PM in response to Morgan F

    Ditto, look anything like this? (screenshot below)

     

    Screen Shot 2011-11-10 at 22.20.30 (2).png

  • by Neil from Oz,

    Neil from Oz Neil from Oz Nov 11, 2011 8:22 PM in response to timetothinkofaname
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    Nov 11, 2011 8:22 PM in response to timetothinkofaname

    No, and I believe you should think about starting your own thread on your issue, as it will only get lost in the infighting in some of these long drawn out posts, which the more experienced users avoid, because they become opinions and are not helpful to the issue.

     

    So my advice would be to start a new thread, explain the symptoms and post the screen shot.

     

    Cheers

  • by daniel.remin,

    daniel.remin daniel.remin Nov 11, 2011 8:30 PM in response to Carlo TD
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    Nov 11, 2011 8:30 PM in response to Carlo TD

    Wow - 512k ram, I was lucky enough to get 128...lol

  • by Carlo TD,

    Carlo TD Carlo TD Nov 11, 2011 8:57 PM in response to daniel.remin
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    Nov 11, 2011 8:57 PM in response to daniel.remin

    Come to think of it... we did upgrade the ram to 512k... it was a PS2 computer... so ours might have been a 128k also... yup fun times. It maxed out at 512k... i think it had two slots...

  • by Neil from Oz,

    Neil from Oz Neil from Oz Nov 11, 2011 9:04 PM in response to timetothinkofaname
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:04 PM in response to timetothinkofaname

    See what I mean, timetothinkofaname? You are already between an arguement and reminicences about the 'old days'!! lol

     

    Your problem will just getburied deeper and deeper here in this old thread.

     

     

    Cheers Again

     

    Neil

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