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Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

I have been using Lion for 2 days now and have come up against a number of issues which are ranging from the annoying to the downright frustrating.  If anyone has any answers I would be very grateful.  Also is it possible to remove Lion and go back to Snow Leopard as my new quad core i7 15" MacBook Pro is running like a dog after the upgrade!!!

 

 

  • Cannot put my MacMini to sleep any more (question asked in article "Mac Mini (2010 Version) Not Sleeping After Lion Upgrade"
  • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)
  • Mail seems to decide when it is going to get new emails and will show no new mails for some time even though my iPhone picks them up.
  • Flash no longer works properly - going to a site that wants to use the web cam gives me the Flash confirmation screen but will not let me select anything (Flash removed and reinstalled but still no go).
  • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

 

Before the upgrade everything was fine and the MacBook Pro was the fastest Mac I had ever used, now it is running slower than my old 13" MacBook.

 

Is this Apple's 'Vista'?

 

Any help or suggestions (including how to go back) would be greatly appreciated.

 

Steve

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 PM

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  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 18, 2011 2:30 AM in response to Ziatron
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    Dec 18, 2011 2:30 AM in response to Ziatron

    Thank you.

    Will mull this one over. Happy Christmas.

    Ziatron wrote:

     

    my advice is revert to Snow Leopard and keep Lion on an external, bootable clone.

     

    We switched back to Snow Leopard also.  I will try Tony (10.8) later.

  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 18, 2011 2:36 AM in response to softwater
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    Dec 18, 2011 2:36 AM in response to softwater

    softwater wrote:

     

    deleted (wrong thread!!)

    SW, thank you.

     

    This message of yours has mysteriously vanished again. The head boy and his trolls? They love to annoy.

     

     

    "

    Good list!

     

    Here's another option, if you don't use the commands often enough to remember them, you can also access the screenshot function through Preview:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-17030172-62871 /450-369/Screen+shot+2011-12-18+at+10.30.26.png

                        [end of SW message]

  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 18, 2011 2:46 AM in response to TopSteve
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    Dec 18, 2011 2:46 AM in response to TopSteve

    Trolls are deleting any posts which they in their wisdom deem to be a tad critical of Apple top dollar kit - kit which is not working without spending a month under the bonnet and another month fiddling with peripheral software [which should just work.... not much to expect with top of the range computer kit].

     

    Honest and big people can take criticism. This attribute would seem to pass trolls by.

     

    Actually am looking forward to OS X 12 'Meerkat' (simples). All we want to do is use the kit and for it to work properly. We don't want to play around with it.

     

              Tom [Oh no, it's not possibly the kit, it's the user. Ha ha]

     

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    softwater wrote:

     

    deleted (wrong thread!!)

    I am dislex.... but I don't think this accounts for me not being able to understand the above post.  just 3 words long and no quote/or hint as to what it was about that had been deleted.  Are you saying the post that was about the Epson printer and Lion was deleted becouse it was posted on the wrong thread or are you talking about something else?

  • by softwater,

    softwater softwater Dec 18, 2011 5:34 AM in response to tomftj
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    Dec 18, 2011 5:34 AM in response to tomftj

    tomftj wrote:

     

    softwater wrote:

     

    deleted (wrong thread!!)

    SW, thank you.

     

    This message of yours has mysteriously vanished again.

     

    Noooh...I deleted it myself because it was an answer to a post in another thread which I accidentally posted here, that's all. No conspiracy

  • by mulligans missus,

    mulligans missus mulligans missus Dec 18, 2011 6:11 PM in response to tomftj
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    Dec 18, 2011 6:11 PM in response to tomftj

    tomftj wrote:

     

    Trolls are deleting any posts which they in their wisdom deem to be a tad critical of Apple

    He deleted it himself if you bother reading properly. And why are you misquoting me here? Those comments of mine were in reference to a totally different thread which was worded rudely and was abut no Epson drivers being available for the Postaer Epson printer. The first thing I supplied was the link to the Epson printers required. Then that poster turned it into a rant. The drivers were and are there still.

     

    But now you put my comments from that thread into this thread? That, my friend (?) is Trolling. Nobody here is paid by Apple, people do this voluntarilly, but often wonder why when you look at the uninformed, and rather stupid comments posted here. And even though Softwater and I have not seen eye to eye over Lion, at least give him the respect of being entitled to edit or delete his own comment. No one can delete posts after about 15 minutes except for the Moderators, and they are generally abusive threads or threads not adhering to the Terms Of Use you all agreed to when you joined this site (you did read them, didn't you)

     

    So please stop cross threading comments, it makes you look more the fool, not me.

     

    Cheers

  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 19, 2011 2:38 AM in response to mulligans missus
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    Dec 19, 2011 2:38 AM in response to mulligans missus

    The troll spake......

     

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    tomftj wrote:

     

    Trolls are deleting any posts which they in their wisdom deem to be a tad critical of Apple

    He deleted it himself if you bother reading properly. And why are you misquoting me here? Those comments of mine were in reference to a totally different thread which was worded rudely and was abut no Epson drivers being available for the Postaer Epson printer. The first thing I supplied was the link to the Epson printers required. Then that poster turned it into a rant. The drivers were and are there still.

     

    But now you put my comments from that thread into this thread? That, my friend (?) is Trolling. Nobody here is paid by Apple, people do this voluntarilly, but often wonder why when you look at the uninformed, and rather stupid comments posted here. And even though Softwater and I have not seen eye to eye over Lion, at least give him the respect of being entitled to edit or delete his own comment. No one can delete posts after about 15 minutes except for the Moderators, and they are generally abusive threads or threads not adhering to the Terms Of Use you all agreed to when you joined this site (you did read them, didn't you)

     

    So please stop cross threading comments, it makes you look more the fool, not me.

     

    Cheers

  • by heathfromblack mountain,

    heathfromblack mountain heathfromblack mountain Dec 19, 2011 6:27 AM in response to heathfromblack mountain
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    Dec 19, 2011 6:27 AM in response to heathfromblack mountain

    OK,

     

    I am a happy camper now days!!!  I thought I would give it one last try to re-install Lion to see what would happen.

     

    After zeroing out the HD and re-installing Lion, then adding one none core app at a time to see were the break down might be happening, I am pleased to say that I now have a nice running OS/CPU so far. Thanks to all that posted with good advice on this topic.

     

    Peace..

  • by TopSteve,

    TopSteve TopSteve Dec 19, 2011 9:26 AM in response to mulligans missus
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    Dec 19, 2011 9:26 AM in response to mulligans missus

    I think this has just been a matter of timeing.  I was reading a post that seemed to be a replay to a post I could not find so I asked for help finding it.  tomftj was trying to help me find it when the persion posted that he deleted it himself after I had made my post and tomfti mad there post.  This timeing problem is not our fault now  mulligans you are posting to put tomfti down for helping me!

     

    "So please stop cross threading comments, it makes you look more the fool, not me."

     

    Well the post you mulligans, looks a bit foollish to me and perhaps I'v been a bit foolish in responding to it.

     

     

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    tomftj wrote:

     

    Trolls are deleting any posts which they in their wisdom deem to be a tad critical of Apple

    He deleted it himself if you bother reading properly. And why are you misquoting me here? Those comments of mine were in reference to a totally different thread which was worded rudely and was abut no Epson drivers being available for the Postaer Epson printer. The first thing I supplied was the link to the Epson printers required. Then that poster turned it into a rant. The drivers were and are there still.

     

    But now you put my comments from that thread into this thread? That, my friend (?) is Trolling. Nobody here is paid by Apple, people do this voluntarilly, but often wonder why when you look at the uninformed, and rather stupid comments posted here. And even though Softwater and I have not seen eye to eye over Lion, at least give him the respect of being entitled to edit or delete his own comment. No one can delete posts after about 15 minutes except for the Moderators, and they are generally abusive threads or threads not adhering to the Terms Of Use you all agreed to when you joined this site (you did read them, didn't you)

     

    So please stop cross threading comments, it makes you look more the fool, not me.

     

    Cheers

  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 19, 2011 9:41 AM in response to TopSteve
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    Dec 19, 2011 9:41 AM in response to TopSteve

    Hello TopSteve

     

    Yours is an ace response. The difficulty would appear to be that 10.7.2 has triggered off a crowd of trolls who have nothing better to do than patronise and blame others for their own inadequacies and absence of social skills.

    Also a real nuisance troll will not come up with a real solution, only something like 'check if there is electricity going into the back of your £2,000 worth of kit.'

     

    Terrific, anyway.

    btw... does any rational person actually bother to use lunchpad or missionary position control? More c**p to gum up the yes/no switches?

     

              All best.

  • by TopSteve,

    TopSteve TopSteve Dec 19, 2011 11:06 AM in response to tomftj
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    Dec 19, 2011 11:06 AM in response to tomftj

    "............missionary position control?" I don't want to get to far off track but this did make me :-) I don't need a computer to control my "missionary position"

     

    Sorry for this.

  • by tomftj,

    tomftj tomftj Dec 19, 2011 11:16 AM in response to TopSteve
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    Dec 19, 2011 11:16 AM in response to TopSteve

    Mission(ary)Control position. What! are you like?!!

     

    Software with no purpose, or what?

  • by softwater,

    softwater softwater Dec 20, 2011 9:11 AM in response to tomftj
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    Dec 20, 2011 9:11 AM in response to tomftj

    I just noticed something else really dumb about lunchpad. Putting an app in the Utilities 'group' in Lp does not (of course) add it in the identically named 'Utilities' folder in your Apps folder. Now, most of us who've been with Lion from the start know what to expect, but I can't help imagining that this is going to confuse many new users (isn't 'Lunch' supposed to help new users understand how to navigate their system...?).

     

    In usability terms, it just *****: two "organisation trees" with different logical structure for the same items. Sorry Apple, but your designers really need to go back to Usability 101 class.

     

    Breaking the rules doesn't count as 'innovation' just cos you say so, I'm afraid...

  • by etresoft,

    etresoft etresoft Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM in response to softwater
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM in response to softwater

    No. Lunch is a meal eaten around noon.

     

    The whole idea behind LaunchPad is to keep users out of the Applications folder. There is no valid reason to be in that folder except if you want to test the full system restore capabilities of Time Machine. LaunchPad allows users to configure their application interface without breaking the operating system.

  • by softwater,

    softwater softwater Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM in response to etresoft
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    Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM in response to etresoft

    etresoft wrote:

     

     

    The whole idea behind LaunchPad is to keep users out of the Applications folder. There is no valid reason to be in that folder except if you want to test the full system restore capabilities of Time Machine. LaunchPad allows users to configure their application interface without breaking the operating system.

     

    LOL! You are ******** me right?!! We're supposed to stay out of Finder and do all our work in Lunch are we?? Is that why they put it by default in the sidebar of Finder under 'Places'....hmmm....

     

    Given your expert statement above, could you explain the logic of why its not a hidden folder, why its not locked from the user from doing things like making new folders and organising their apps, and why there is such a thing called Finder in the OS in the first place????

     

    Hahaha! You've had one too many apples for breakfast my friend (you have given me the best laugh of the day so far though!).

     

    Message was edited by: softwater

  • by mulligans missus,

    mulligans missus mulligans missus Dec 20, 2011 5:30 PM in response to etresoft
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    Dec 20, 2011 5:30 PM in response to etresoft

    etresoft wrote:

     

    The whole idea behind LaunchPad is to keep users out of the Applications folder. There is no valid reason to be in that folder except if you want to test the full system restore capabilities of Time Machine.

    I have to disagree with this I am afraid. Launchpad was a bit of good eye candy when I first went to Lion, similar to how Dashboard was when it came out. Both eventually pulled out of my dock and passed into the ether with a 'poof'.

     

    I like to have control over my apps in the way that best works for me, and Launchpad is certainly not it, at least not yet. Like Dashboard, as I said, nice eye candy but I always have and always will take access to my Apps through the Dock and Applications folder.

     

    Cheers

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