Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

It's just a transition. Eventually Applications will be hidden too. May as well ditch your Mac and go to Windows where everyone launches applications from c:\program files.

That is why Apple gave us LaunchPad. You can configure it as much as you want. The Applications folder is not an area for user customization.

etresoft wrote:

 

It's just a transition. Eventually Applications will be hidden too. May as well ditch your Mac and go to Windows where everyone launches applications from c:\program files.

That is one of the more ridiculous remarks made here. Launchpad is near unusable at present because of it's lack of ability for the user to organise it. Feeble attempts at programs such as Launchpad Control and Launchpad cleaner still leave the user without the ability to organise it to their needs. I have used Lion from ii't release with no problems, I am simply saying that at the moment it is a nice looking feature like Dashboard with no real use. If it improves in the future, and I mean improves a lot, then I may drop it back into the dock. But it's a feature I have never had, therefore I feature I will never miss. Saying not using Launchpad is a reason to go to Windows really is a most ridiculous statement. I do know it's a transition. So was Dashboard. But it has gone nowhere in further releases.

But you carry on in your own special way. I am very happy using my Apps folder as I always have.

Good Luck

etresoft wrote:

 

That is why Apple gave us LaunchPad. You can configure it as much as you want. The Applications folder is not an area for user customization.

Then why is every download pointed at the Applications Folder for installation by the user? Yet you say the user should not touch it? Confusion reigns here.

Cheers

I believe he's having a laugh, or been at the sauce.

I must remember to bookmark this page "that bizarre ocassion when MM agreed with me".

This thread gets wierder and wierder...

mulligans missus wrote:

 

 

That is one of the more ridiculous remarks made here. Launchpad is near unusable at present because of it's lack of ability for the user to organise it.

And you say my remark is ridiculous? You can organize Launchpad all you want.

Saying not using Launchpad is a reason to go to Windows really is a most ridiculous statement.

No. Your interpretation of what I wrote is ridiculous. All I meant was that Windows' Start menu is far superior ro rummaging around in c:\Program Files. The amount of complaining that goes on about Launchpad is just insane.

Then why is every download pointed at the Applications Folder for installation by the user? Yet you say the user should not touch it?

Every download? What about App Store downloads? What about installer packages? Sadly, this is another area where Windows has long been superior. In Windows, any download where the user is expected to unzip the package and manually copy it into c:\Program Files is a telltale sign of a substandard program.

I think Mac users deserve the best - or at least as good as Windows users. Apple is trying to get there with Launchpad and the App Store.

softwater wrote:

 

I believe he's having a laugh, or been at the sauce.

 

I must remember to bookmark this page "that bizarre ocassion when MM agreed with me".

 

This thread gets wierder and wierder...

Strange things occur around Christmas!!  I'm sure we will clash again sooner or later. lol

Cheers for the silly season

I'd imagine the smart money's on sooner rather than later.

And back to the main show...

I'm on my fifth Lion install, and I learned something important from the other four. Let me tell you a story as to how I got here:

The first was from the App store and I banged it on top of an existing SL installation. The install lasted three months before it became unusable as a result of frequent core app crashes (Finder, Dock, Spotlight, Time machine freakiness. I also had spotty wifi issues with it, though not as severe as those reported on some of the threads here).

The second was a beta test installation done as a clean install and downloaded from the Appleseed program. This also lasted about three months before crashing into oblivion. I forget the exact issue, but to be fair this install had been mangled both by all the different beta builds and reversions, not to mention my experiments in trying to turn off things like autosave and versions, not to say a few other ‘hacks’ best not mentioned, so no surprise that it crashed out really.

The third install was from a self-made DVD boot disk. This one loaded up fine at first, but when I went to do the software update it froze out and refused to ever boot again.

I gave up on bothering to install Lion for a few months until my fourth install last week. I tried using the Lion Internet recovery option on what was left of the third one. This took a few goes. but eventually it loaded me a system albeit with the added - and unwanted - bonus of the whole screen flashing grey on and off on a 10 second cycle. 

Now, my fifth install is a different beast on two counts, and both of these things might be worth considering:

1. I removed the Recovery Partition before attempting a new ‘clean’ install. Disk Utility doesn’t do that when you delete the Lion partition (because the RD is actually in a different partition which DU doesn’t show you). To remove a previous RD you need to enable the Disk Utility Debug menu in Terminal. app. Paste this command

defaults write com.apple.DiskUtility DUDebugMenuEnabled 1

Open DU (Quit and open if its already running). From the ‘Develop’ menu in the menubar, choose ‘Show every partition’. You can now see the RD partition in DU, mount it, unmount it, delete it…or even have a look inside it in Finder, if you’re nosey…

2. I downloaded a fresh installer from the App store, even though I had several copies of the original one. All my previous failed installs (save the appleseed one) were from the original installer. This wasa silly mistake. I don’t know why it never occurred to me before: not a single one of the installations I’d done with the original download (or the DVD copy I’d made from it)had worked properly. I guess I didn’t think of a corrupted installer download because each install seemed sort of OK at first, and then when each did start bombing out the problems were never the same as before.

Of course, its only been a few days, and I might be back to tell the tale of my sixth install before long, but this one does seem qualitatively different from any of the others. It’s noticeably faster, everything works, the trackpad is more responsive (than the other installs that had worked), wifi works and so do all the core apps. Looking at top -u in terminal also shows a very lean looking machine insofar as resource allocation, unlike before, where 4GB seemed hardlly enough.

None of that means that I’ll be changing my tune about what a disastrous design Lion is for anyone who wants a real computer (as opposed to an iPad with a keyboard and larger screen). Lion stinks as far as usability goes and seriously downgrades the users experience compared to using SL. For that reason, Lion will continue to be on an external disk with a reduced partition size, but at least I can say it does work as intended (for the time being).

etresoft wrote:

 

It's just a transition. Eventually Applications will be hidden too. May as well ditch your Mac and go to Windows where everyone launches applications from c:\program files.

if Applications are hidden how do you find them to run them  LOL  whats the diffence between

The Dock

Application folder

and Launch Pad

Are 2 of the above just abstracions (layears apone layesr (opps sorry for the spelling I'm dislex) I just one one place to find my apps and one place only!

Apple have always wanted to move away from a "File System" right back as fare as the first Mac's.  The logic appears to be "Have all the app's in one place"  Witch is fine if you don't want to categorise them e.g. (graphics, sound,media, internet ect) and/or you don't have meany of them.

This is the Apple/Mac philosophy, it is not the Window philosphy. The Windows way is to have eveything categorised as posibal.

So two chorces; 

1) Mac, have eveything in one place "Launchpad"

2) Windows have eveything in categorise (folders and links to folders in menus)

You pay you money and make you choice.  Or program your own OS (some one did and LINUX was born) you could do the same.

There is another way witch I LIKE and that is Document Centered.

The way it works/worked is to right click the mouse where you wanted to make a new document and chouse "New Document" from a pop up menu.  A blank document would open but no with perticluar program, parts of programs would be opend and closed as and when needed.  So if you was typing the WordProcesser would be there, if you added a drawing then a draw program would open and the wordprocesser would close if you wanted to edit a photo then the photoeditor............and so on.

Now what was the OS caled O yes OS/2  well that was the philosophy behand that. 

mulligans missus wrote:

 

But you carry on in your own special way. I am very happy using my Apps folder as I always have.

 

Good Luck

I am happy it works for you, but I have 129 Apps and if I did not split them into Office,Media(Graphics, Sound, Video),Internet, and so one I would be lost.

The big problem is the Apple Updata dose not work on all Programs moved out of the App's folder to sub folders.

softwater wrote:

 

And back to the main show...

 

 

I'm on my fifth Lion install,

four calling birds

three French hens

two turtle doves

and a partridge in a pear tree

LOL

Sorry could not resist

Two really BAD issues regarding Mac OSX Lion bug me ever since - and they are not adressed at all.

1) kernel: IOSurface: buffer allocation size is zero.

This is a known bug and Adobe Flash & Adobe AiR spam the console.app (kernel.log) with messages.

Here is Blog Post about that issue and the corresponding Adobe Forums Entry

Adobe did not respond for 6 months now.

2) com.apple.Safari: CoreAnimation: rendering error 506 and Safari: kCGErrorIllegalArgument: CGSGetSurfaceBounds

I don't know what that means (and i could also not find out yet), but this messages are also spamming my console. I hope Apple will sort this one out with 10.7.3 or with a Safari update.