Steverose798

Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

I have been using Lion for 2 days now and have come up against a number of issues which are ranging from the annoying to the downright frustrating.  If anyone has any answers I would be very grateful.  Also is it possible to remove Lion and go back to Snow Leopard as my new quad core i7 15" MacBook Pro is running like a dog after the upgrade!!!

 

 

  • Cannot put my MacMini to sleep any more (question asked in article "Mac Mini (2010 Version) Not Sleeping After Lion Upgrade"
  • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)
  • Mail seems to decide when it is going to get new emails and will show no new mails for some time even though my iPhone picks them up.
  • Flash no longer works properly - going to a site that wants to use the web cam gives me the Flash confirmation screen but will not let me select anything (Flash removed and reinstalled but still no go).
  • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

 

Before the upgrade everything was fine and the MacBook Pro was the fastest Mac I had ever used, now it is running slower than my old 13" MacBook.

 

Is this Apple's 'Vista'?

 

Any help or suggestions (including how to go back) would be greatly appreciated.

 

Steve

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 PM

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  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:05 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:05 AM in response to Steverose798

     

    This appears to be a problem specific to Mac minis, and not all of them.

     

    • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)

     

    This Is A Feature, Not A Bug™. You have encountered something called Resume. It's a deliberate part of the OS, and it will NOT be changed. And it's worse than that. If you have several sites open in different tabs or windows, and quit Safari for _any_ reason, including force-quitting because of a problem on a site, Safari will remember them and will open them up again on starting up, unless you hold the Option key down on startup. Also, most applications will remember any file you had open when you quit them, no matter how long ago you quit them, and no matter if you have moved or deleted that file in the meantime, and will try to open that file or files. Try opening a file in TextEdit or Pages, leaving it open when you quit the app, and then deleting the file, just for laughs.

     

    • Mail seems to decide when it is going to get new emails and will show no new mails for some time even though my iPhone picks them up.

     

    Try setting Mail to use the 'classic layout'. Preferences/View first checkbox.

     

    • Flash no longer works properly - going to a site that wants to use the web cam gives me the Flash confirmation screen but will not let me select anything (Flash removed and reinstalled but still no go).

     

    Get a newer version of Flash. You may need the latest beta.

     

    • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

     

    You might want to launch Activity Monitor and see how much RAM is in use. I'll bet that Safari, Safari Web Content, kernel_task, and mds are taking up just short on 1 GB each, and you have under 100 MB free. When your system goes below 100 MB free it slows to a crawl. Quitting Safari will kill the Safari and Safari Web Content tasks, but kernel_task and mds will tend to expand, at least until after the initial indexing of the the system is over. Once Spotlight has finished indexing the system, the mds task will use _much_ less RAM, on the order of 100-200 MB instead of 800 MB - 1.5 GB, so that part of the problem will go away. Safari and Safari Web Content will continue to eat your RAM, though. You can't do very much about kernel_task, that's the OS itself. You might consider getting additional RAM.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:18 AM in response to etresoft
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:18 AM in response to etresoft
    • Safari always opens with last page viewed, regardless of settings selected (can be very embarrassing if you know what I mean)

    Isn't that what Private browsing was made for?

     

    Actually, he's encountered Resume. Private browsing will not help, as Resume will put the last page you had when you quit Safari (or most other apps) up again the next time you open the app. This Is A Feature, Not A Bug™.

     

    As an exercise for the student, consider the case when you go to one of those sites which is infected by one of the drive-by Trojans which are now the only real malware for Macs. The best way to avoid problems is to immediately quit, or to force-quit, the browser. Except, of course, that if you neglect to hold down the Option key when starting the browser up again, you start up with the last page you were viewing front and center. That would be the malware-infected page. Hands up all who knew that Resume existed and that holding down the Option key would temporarily disable it.

     

    • Spinning beach ball every time I try to launch a new application or do anything mildly taxing (this is on a Core i7 15" MacBook Pro with 4 Gb Ram.

    Perhaps you have some sort of incompatible 3rd party software or something. My 2007 Macbook purrs like a kitten in Lion.

     

    He's low on RAM. This is a known problem. The cure is to let mds finish indexing the system (interrupting it while it works is a Bad Idea™) and to restart Safari periodically, when it and Safari Web Content (that's the new sandboxing setup for Safari) eat too much RAM. Or to get more RAM. 4 GB is the realistic lower limit for RAM with Lion. If you have 6 or more you will likely not have any RAM-related problems. If you let mds finish indexing, your RAM-related problems will be much reduced. If you use Firefox or some other browser instead of Safari, your RAM-related problems will be lower still. (This is not to say that Firefox doesn't gobble RAM. It does, just not as much as Safari does.)

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:21 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:21 AM in response to Steverose798

    Have tried rebuilding the disc permissions (there seemed to be loads of discrepancies) but the MacMini still won't go to sleep.  All it seems to be doing is sleeping the display NOT the machine which is useless.

     

    Rebuilding permissions helps with some things, but not this. And, yes, there are a _lot_ of permissions problems after you first install Lion, especially if you have a printer from HP or Epson. That said, there appears to be a problem with some, but not all, Mac minis, a problem that those who don't have Mac minis simply don't have.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:26 AM in response to Wills House Mac Recording
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:26 AM in response to Wills House Mac Recording

    I have another post as this has completely destroyed those of us that have workstations and decided to trust Lion becuase Apple has ALWAYS been such a reputable company. My problem is from my DAW not being recognized to the stupid backwards scrolling! APPLE THIS IS THE WORST GARBAGE you put out to the end user! wow!

     

    What's a DAW?

     

    The scrolling can be fixed by going to System Preferences/Mouse/Point & Click, and unchecking the 'use natural scrolling' checkbox.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:30 AM in response to ferrywlto
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:30 AM in response to ferrywlto

    using late 2009 24" iMac here. 2.8G C2D with 4GB RAM.

    found that the animation of minimizing / maximizing window is slow.

    terribly slow when open / close the launchpad.

     

    1 don't use LaunchBad. It's a simply awful example of wasted processor cycles.

     

    2 part of your problem is you're low on RAM. Let mds finish indexing, quit Safari, and/or get more RAM.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:36 AM in response to rsjm
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:36 AM in response to rsjm

    I'm still not seeing many people with my problem: Lion is eating hard drive space. It's doing it on two machines and I can watch it by getting ino on the hard drive.

     

    This is a known issue. It's A Feature, Not A Bug™. Acutally, it's _Two_ Features, Not a Bug™.

     

    1 The new Versions feature has to keep copies of every file you have _somewhere_.

     

    2 If you have Time Machine running, and you don't have your Time Machine backup drive connected, well  those backups will be made every hour anyway. They'll just get stored on your main machine until you reconnect your Time Machine drive, whereupon they'll move to the backup drive and be deleted from your main drive.

     

    Has anyone else noticed this? Apple Store has no answers except to go back to SL.

     

    Yep. That's the only cure, as This Is A Feature, Not A Bug™.

  • by gbfluteman,

    gbfluteman gbfluteman Jul 24, 2011 12:39 AM in response to Charles Dyer
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:39 AM in response to Charles Dyer

    Charles- In regards to your response to the original post:

     

    Did you even bother to read what anyone else here posted? 

     

    The sleep issue is not unique to Mac minis.  Though he is not having this issue with his MacBook Pro, myself and other users have (and we posted about it).

     

    Also, I believe Steve posted later that his computer had clearly finished indexing 2 days ago.

     

    This guy owns the most expensive MacBook Pro that money can buy.  It's got an i7 processor and either 4 or 8 GB RAM depending on which one he purchased (see Original Post).  Do you really think he needs more RAM for Lion when he didn't need it for Snow Leopard?  No offense, but this is a MacBook Pro running OSX, not a Compaq running Vista.  4 GB of RAM should be sufficient, since that's the lowest amount of RAM available on ANY of their current line of products.  If you're telling us all we need more RAM, then what you're really saying is that Apple either didn't sell us enough RAM with our pre-built notebooks/ iMacs, that their hardware (RAM) is defective, or that Lion uses TONS more RAM than Snow Leopard, and should be fixed so that it doesn't. 

     

    Personally, the latter seems like the more likely response since it's only an issue for us as of... 4-5 days ago.  Besides- again- these aren't Dells, HPs, or Compaq notebooks.  You don't just go out, buy more RAM, and install it yourself.  That voids your Apple Care warranty.  And, even if you can, good luck finding the exact hardware to match your particular processor and motherboard.  I'm sure it can be done, but it's not easy.  I know- that's why I just decided to go brand new 2 months ago instead of purchasing a friend's older MacBook and updating the hardware.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:40 AM in response to Marco SF
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:40 AM in response to Marco SF

    My computer runs with problems since upgrading to Lion... so dissapointed!! :-(  Keeps freezing repeatedly when playing videos on line after the computer has been on sleep mode and (randomly) on ocassion.  Updated my desktop image and now I can no longer access iphoto to change it (??).  New to macs (have had mine for less tan two weeks and as a PC convert and I am so disheartened).    Can I get a refund and revert back to Snow Leopard so my computer runs properly?  So frustrating for me (but not near as much as it must be for apple... what a fiasco)

     

    Haven't heard of the freezing issue. You might try booting from the System Restore partition on your Mac (reboot with cmd-R held down) and running Disk Utility and repairing the disk, you might have a directory problem. Using Disk Warrior or Drive Genius might help, too.

     

    You don't change the desktop image with iPhoto, you use System Preferences/Desktop & Screensaver. That works.

  • by oxmox11,

    oxmox11 oxmox11 Jul 24, 2011 12:45 AM in response to Steverose798
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:45 AM in response to Steverose798

    how to get permanent scroll bars back???

     

    many of my applications do not display permanent scroll bars anymore (even though there is content to scroll) so not option to do a quick scroll via the mouse, except I intiate scrolling via the track pad then the scroll bars appear!!

     

    This is a bug I would like to be able to scroll with my 3rd part mouse.

  • by Robin Bonathan,

    Robin Bonathan Robin Bonathan Jul 24, 2011 12:49 AM in response to Charles Dyer
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:49 AM in response to Charles Dyer

    My 2c worth.

     

    cant resize HD partition back that I had to do on install (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3926?viewlocale=en_US)

     

    MBP running hot and shorter

     

    Loss of front row (really liked this for film trailers)

     

    Time mahine trying to backup every hour, even when my external drive is not connected.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:49 AM in response to tigereye19
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:49 AM in response to tigereye19

    I am very happy before I installed Lion.

    Once Installed, my basic application to Merge PDF files is not possible.

    In Preview PDF, there is no more Sidebars. Hence cannot merge PDF Files.

    This is my basic application of my Mac Book.

    Have to uninstall Lion, out it in cage!?

     

    Actually, you can turn the scrollbars back on. System Preferences/General, first group of radio buttons, does it for most things, and the Preview app itself has a preference setting specifically for PDFs. I don't know if you can still merge PDFs, as I usually use Graphic Converter for that kind of thing.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:52 AM in response to Tazmann9898
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:52 AM in response to Tazmann9898

    I have problems with it also.  It is constantly freezing when using safari.  Any suggestions or ideas?

     

    Yeah. Don't use Safari. It's a known memory hog which has become a memory blue whale.

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:54 AM in response to Marco SF
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:54 AM in response to Marco SF

    Holy@@@@

    I was just on line checking my banking balance and paying bills and a friend asked to check his email...   how awkward.. he accidentally scrolled the screens back and there it was in all its glory!!!  My banking information form the website I had just been on for him to see.  MAJOR FLAW.  I am reverting back to snow leopard immediately as soon as I can manage to!!!

    This is NOT ok!!!

     

    Welcome to the wonderful world of Resume. It can (and will) get lots worse.

  • by gbfluteman,

    gbfluteman gbfluteman Jul 24, 2011 12:54 AM in response to Charles Dyer
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:54 AM in response to Charles Dyer

    On this much, I will agree with you.  Safari uses up approximately half a GB of RAM, while Rockmelt- even with it's Facebook integration- only uses about .1 GB of RAM.

     

    Still, 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient for running OSX (and is, for me, but not for others who have finished indexing; and I'm running FileVault, too).

  • by Charles Dyer,

    Charles Dyer Charles Dyer Jul 24, 2011 12:55 AM in response to gbfluteman
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    Jul 24, 2011 12:55 AM in response to gbfluteman

    Marco- Did you closed Safari before this happened?  If not, then no wonder he was able to back up to it.  It was still in your history from your current browsing session, which would be able to happen regardless of browser or OS.

     

    That doesn't matter with Resume. If you quit Safari and restarted it, Resume remembers your last page. This Is A Feature, Not A Bug™.

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