Q: Problems With Lion (Found So Far).....

running 2x3ghz quad-core intel Xeon   16gb ram cpu is hittiny 98% on all cores since Lion cpu a 1 and cpu b1 running 15begrees hotter than ever all fans running flat out  on snow lep I had a job to load the cpu's above 10% nouthing else has changed other than Lion any segestions please

Charles- In regards to your response to the original post:

Did you even bother to read what anyone else here posted? 

Some, but not all of them.

The sleep issue is not unique to Mac minis.  Though he is not having this issue with his MacBook Pro, myself and other users have (and we posted about it).

Interesting. I've only seen that problem on Mac minis, not on any other system.

Also, I believe Steve posted later that his computer had clearly finished indexing 2 days ago.

Well, that solves the mds problem. That leaves Safari and kernel_task.

This guy owns the most expensive MacBook Pro that money can buy.  It's got an i7 processor and either 4 or 8 GB RAM depending on which one he purchased (see Original Post).  Do you really think he needs more RAM for Lion when he didn't need it for Snow Leopard?  No offense, but this is a MacBook Pro running OSX, not a Compaq running Vista.  4 GB of RAM should be sufficient, since that's the lowest amount of RAM available on ANY of their current line of products.  If you're telling us all we need more RAM, then what you're really saying is that Apple either didn't sell us enough RAM with our pre-built notebooks/ iMacs, that their hardware (RAM) is defective, or that Lion uses TONS more RAM than Snow Leopard, and should be fixed so that it doesn't. 

Let me say this straight out: anyone who runs Lion with less than 4 GB of RAM will have RAM-related problems. 4 GB is the realistic minium... and you will still have RAM-related problems in some situations if you have less than 6 GB. So, yes, Apple didn't sell you enough RAM, and yes, Lion uses TONS more RAM than Snow Leopard, and no, this will not be fixed. Ever. Buy more RAM, if it will fit in your machine. I am typing this on an iMac which Apple says is limited to 4 GB (3rd parties say it can be boosted to 6 GB) and the fact that Lion eats RAM is merely one reason why Lion ain't on this box.

It should be noted that Lion behaves better in low-memory situations than SL does, but then as it's more often in low-memory situations than SL is, it'd just about have to, wouldn't it?

Personally, the latter seems like the more likely response since it's only an issue for us as of... 4-5 days ago.  Besides- again- these aren't Dells, HPs, or Compaq notebooks.  You don't just go out, buy more RAM, and install it yourself.  That voids your Apple Care warranty.  And, even if you can, good luck finding the exact hardware to match your particular processor and motherboard.  I'm sure it can be done, but it's not easy.  I know- that's why I just decided to go brand new 2 months ago instead of purchasing a friend's older MacBook and updating the hardware.

Ah... no. It's trivial to find RAM which works in a Mac, and for around the same price as RAM which works in any other computer, because it's the same RAM as in other computers! See, for example, <http://www.crucial.com/>, which is a vendor that I've used since the 1990s. Crucial, like many other vendors, has ways to match the RAM to the machine; they allow you to specify which machine you have, if you know, and if you don't they have a system scanner app which will find out which machine you have for you and will advise you on which RAM sticks you need. They follow Apple guidlines for RAM; while some other sites will tell you that this iMac can handle 6 GB, Crucial will not, because Apple doesn't support 6 GB on this machine. It's trivial to install RAM in your Mac, and it does NOT void your warranty or AppleCare. Apple has webpages on their site showing you how to install RAM! <http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1270> is for MacBook Pros! That page includes pointers on how to add RAM to 2011 MBPs! And it has a pointer to where you can get help if you can't use a Phillips head screwdriver! I've _never_ had a problem with AppleCare because I added RAM to my systems, though to be sure I haven't messed with any older Mac minis, Apple didn't want anyone opening those boys up. The newer ones, though, open easily and again you don't void your warranty by adding RAM.

Where did you hear that adding RAM would void the warranty or AppleCare?

Charles- since unticking the option in "System Preferences- General- "Restore windows..." and rebooting, I've not had this problem.  So, it is a bug.  Or, my ability to close Safari and it opens up to the home page, instead of the last page I viewed is the bug.  Your call....

gbfluteman wrote:

 

Charles- since unticking the option in "System Preferences- General- "Restore windows..." and rebooting, I've not had this problem.  So, it is a bug.  Or, my ability to close Safari and it opens up to the home page, instead of the last page I viewed is the bug.  Your call....

You turned Resume off. It's not a bug, man, it's a feature... and you turned it off. (Beta versions of Lion didn't have that ability...) Resume is a Feature™. Have a look. <http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#resume>

Right- people were complaining that even after turning that feature off as I did that they were still having problems, and your response to them was "It's not a bug; it's a feature" and you basically told them to deal with it.

In regards to Apple Care, this isn't exactly the correct forum for this discussion, but it's my understanding from what I could decipher from the legalese of documentation that came with Apple Care that if I make any hardware modifications, my warranty is void.  It can be modified- I just have to pay Apple to do it is my understanding.

As far as the RAM issue goes, here's straight from Apple's tech specs of Lion:

General requirements

• Mac computer with an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor
• 2GB of memory
• OS X v10.6.6 or later (v10.6.8 recommended)
• 7GB of available space
• Some features require an Apple ID; terms apply.
• Some features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.

Now, obviously, if you're running things like Time Machine, FileVault, etc. you're going to use more RAM.  But, if you're not (and I'm not), it's not as big of a deal.  4 GB should be sufficient.  Operative words there- should be.

gbfluteman wrote:

 

Right- people were complaining that even after turning that feature off as I did that they were still having problems, and your response to them was "It's not a bug; it's a feature" and you basically told them to deal with it.

i didn't know it could be turned off. If you turn it off and you still have Resume-like behavior, _that's_ a bug. But otherwise, yes, you have to deal with it.

I deal with it by not having Lion installed on this machine. There are several things I don't like about Lion, and Resume is high on the list. It's not going away, either. I see no particular reason to pay to have apps I use every day rendered non-operational (I have some older PPC apps. No Rosetta, no PPC apps.) I see no particular reason to pay to have hardware I use every day rendered non-operational. (I have some hardware which has drivers written using PPC-only code. The vendors are now out of business, so there will never be an update. Those machines, which were _extremely_ expensive, simply will not work in Lion, thanks to there being no Rosetta.) I don't like Resume; I think it's a major security disaster waiting to happen. I don't like LaunchBad; I think it's useless. I don't like Full Screen Apps; I don't like 'em on Windows, and like them even less on OS X. I'm not a particular fan of touchpads or touchpad gestures; I have a mouse attached to every laptop around here. I don't own an iPad, iPod, or iPhone. In short, I'm not the target audience for Lion.

I do have to support others, so I know about Lion. And now I know that Resume can be turned off. Which is exactly what is going to happen on every Lion-equipped machine that comes near me.

They're not lying. It'll _run_ with 2 GB of RAM, just the same as WinXP will run in 64 MB of RAM, and WinVista will run in 512 MB of RAM.

You just won't enjoy the experience, that's all.

4 GB is the realistic minimum RAM for using Lion, and even then you will sometimes run low on RAM. This is real-world experience talking. There are people who are having problems even with 4 GB installed. I advise putting at least 4 GB on any modern computer, OS X, Win7, whatever. Using less will work, but you'll have problems. And that's the real world, man.

I agree with you- I would never buy something with less than 4 GB.  I just figure if 2 GB is the minimum, 4 GB should be good- as long as you're not using some of the other non-necessary RAM sucking processes along the way.

And, I can completely understand what you're saying regarding the loss of Rosetta.  I don't use any programs that use it, but I see A TON of people who do, and understandably, they're pretty ticked off.

I think we'll see Rosetta reintroduced in a future patch, given how many people are annoyed with the lack of it, just like how consumers got the guys in programing to change the fact that we couldn't change backgrounds on our iPhones.  If the people and markets demand it, they'll have no choice but to make room for it.

Gaming performance is extremely slow with Lion!

on my Mac Pro 8x2,8Ghz, ati5870 and 16Gigz of RAM Snow Leopard got me about 50-70fps running World Of Warcraft (all settings to "Ultra").

Now with Lion only 20-30 fps are left - and the mouse working like it is put in syrup...

FIX THIS APPLE! THIS IS ANNOYING!

And another bug in Lion: "Rapairing Disk Permission" etc. doesnt work in the Disk Util - only works with theTerminal command...

Not just that, Front Row is no longer available in Lion, unfortunately.

Juergen Kellner1 wrote:

 

Gaming performance is extremely slow with Lion!

 

on my Mac Pro 8x2,8Ghz, ati5870 and 16Gigz of RAM Snow Leopard got me about 50-70fps running World Of Warcraft (all settings to "Ultra").

 

Now with Lion only 20-30 fps are left - and the mouse working like it is put in syrup...

 

 

FIX THIS APPLE! THIS IS ANNOYING!

 

And another bug in Lion: "Rapairing Disk Permission" etc. doesnt work in the Disk Util - only works with theTerminal command...

Both of those problems are almost certainly unique to your machine. I haven't had any complaints about gaming performance on anything like the level you state, and I've had a _lot_ of complaints about a _lot_ of problems. I know for absolute certain that Disk Utility works under Lion on numerous machines ranging from Mac minis to Mac Pros, from MacBook Airs to 17" MacBook Pros. I know this because I've run DU on numerous machines, and I know other people who've run DU on others.

There are many things wrong with Lion. Your problems are not among them.

KHvG wrote:

 

Not just that, Front Row is no longer available in Lion, unfortunately.

At risk of being redundant... This Is A Feature, Not A Bug™. Several things were deliberately killed when the Lion roared, including iSync and Front Row. (And, of course, Rosetta.) Some can be retrofitted; iSync will launch and appear to run if you had a copy of it elsewhere (the Lion installer seems to kill it, so you'd need to have had a complete, bootable, backup clone somewhere else...) but Front Row won't. It's dead, Jim. It's pinning for the the fjords. It's an ex-app.

Juergen- I saw another forum of people using ATIHD2600 cards where several people were having the exact same issue.  You'll have to see if you can manually find a graphics driver update for your card.  I checked AMD's website, and wasn't able to find one (all they tell you is that the drivers come with the OS when you do a search for OSX).  So, hopefully, they will either release one to their website, or you'll be able to get one within the next few days as patches are released (or as you choose to check for updates; it's even possible Blizzard might give you an update that will fix it- it seems that League of Legends did that for me as I was unable to play yesterday, but can today).

League of Legends and Steam had similar problems with NVIDIA graphics cards, but NVIDIA released a driver update that allowed those users to fix things.  Hopefully, you'll get a fix very soon.  I know what it's like to not be able to play something you paid for.

Happy hunting, Cataclysmic friend!

Charles- did you see what I posted regarding my Main display vs. Secondary Display mirroring issues?  Any thoughts or suggestions on how to fix it?