When will we get rosetta on Lion

Moosbach wrote:

We have many projects made with freehand, golive, livemotion and so on. We could not transfer the data to a newer software solution and we are working with these files near every day. I think that much more user have the same problem. Because we are working so often with the old files, the parallels idea is no solution for us.

Just last week, I gave an online Freehand MX in my Snow Leopard (and Rosetta) in Parallels 7 in Lion solution demonstration through Screen Sharing in iChat. I downloaded the 30 day demo version of Freehand MX, patched it for Snow Leopard and she emailed me a sample file, which I then opened in Freehand. She then took control of my mouse and display through Screen Sharing to see for herself that, even with the lag of Screen Sharing, using Freehand in Parallels was a solution for her needs.

You would NOT need to move any of these files; only access them through File Sharing -- it is best NOT to save them in the virtualized environment anyway, but in your primary and secondary hard disk storage.

Moosbach wrote:

I am using many software, wich requires rosetta. When will rosetta be available vor Lion?

I would still be suggesting Calos advice of duel booting that you checked as solving your issue. If your Mac is not capable of running both Lion and SL then I would certainly be obtaining one that does, or that can just be booted into Snow L permanantly. You get the best of both worlds. No need for sloppy interfaces or Parallel updates and conflicts in future Mac upgrades. Just SL to run all the old software on and Lion to run all the updated software on. I would highly doubt we will ever see Rosetta again, so having a Snow Leopard only Mac may well be the best investment for you.

Good Luck

Pete

My experience in following up on the assistance offered by MichaelLAX has been 100% positive. In addition to solving some huge problems for me, Michael was more than generous with his time expended guiding me through the initial installation and set up.

I’m now running Snow Leopard with full Rosetta function within Parallels Desktop on an OS X 10.7.3 Lion system. It works!

For those needing Rosetta after upgrading to Lion, some have suggested continuing to run Snow Leopard on a separate partition or on an external drive. This might be a satisfactory, but somewhat cumbersome, solution for some users, but I believe this will work only on Macs which have not had Lion preinstalled. I also have an old G4 PowerMac still running Tiger OS X 10.4 11 (and not upgradeable), but this machine won’t last forever. The above “solution” will be compatible with a new Mac purchased in the future.

I’m the professional landscape photographer to whom Michael referred in some previous posts.

In early March I began investigating the implications of Apple’s iCloud (and Lion) changes, mainly because of concerns about maintaining my @mac.com email address. I have no reason to doubt the assurances of some posters on these forums that such mail will continue to work with Mac Mail in Snow Leopard after making manual account settings changes – even after June 30th. On the other hand I received four different opinions from the four Apple representatives I queried about this issue in March.

I depend on some legacy PPC only software for my business – software which will never be upgraded to Universal or Intel versions and for which there are no substitutes or alternatives.

Many high grade film scanners were long ago discontinued, or the manufacturers have exited that business. I also have many old AppleWorks drawing documents which cannot be opened in Pages. The Lion compatible (Intel) versions of some essential utilities for my Epson 4880 printer were released by Epson last December (Epson LFP Remote Panel and Epson Printer Watcher), but these updates are missing many of the useful functions of the previous PPC versions. A fully functional Intel version of the software for my i1 Display 2 colorimeter hardware, used to calibrate monitors, won't be available until September.

From June 15th until late September I’ll be in a remote location in Montana where dial-up is the only practical option. I’ve had to purchase a new modem (ZOOM 3095) since my Apple USB modem (purchased from the Apple Store in June 2009) won’t work on MacBook Pros with Lion installed (even when running the above Parallels “solution”). The “Safe Place” software that I had been using for years to store 189 encrypted passwords is PPC only. It required a full day to transcribe this data into the newly purchased 1Password application.

I could provide several further examples. This entire experience, except for my contact with MichaelLAX, has left a bitter taste and consumed an inordinate amount of time. Most of my friends and acquaintances who are Mac users have been completely unaware of these pending issues. I think that subsequent to June 30 there will be many who are completely surprised – and a resulting PR fiasco.

I would also recommend Michael's work. He has tirelessly pursued the ins and outs of trying to solve the PPC/Rosetta problem and dedicated an enormous amount of his own time to helping others.

Those who criticize his efforts out of petty spite really should take a look in the mirror and ask whether they've really done anything like as much to help other people with Mac problems.

Well done Michael, your efforts are very much appreciated by those you've helped. We need more people like you in this community!

🙂

Sorry to interrupt the MichaelLAX love-fest, but he is not doing anyone any favours. For example...

carterfromva wrote:

The above “solution” will be compatible with a new Mac purchased in the future.

There is no way anyone can predict the future. There have been rumors of Apple switching to ARM or newer Intel chips in the future. If someone follows this advice and dumps their old hardware in favour of a VM solution, they could find themselves with a serious problem this time next year.

I’m the professional landscape photographer to whom Michael referred in some previous posts.

In early March I began investigating the implications of Apple’s iCloud (and Lion) changes, mainly because of concerns about maintaining my @mac.com email address. I have no reason to doubt the assurances of some posters on these forums that such mail will continue to work with Mac Mail in Snow Leopard after making manual account settings changes – even after June 30th. On the other hand I received four different opinions from the four Apple representatives I queried about this issue in March.

If you are a professional and depend on your e-mail, then it is a very bad idea to depend on anyone else for your e-mail address. Get your own domain name.

I depend on some legacy PPC only software for my business – software which will never be upgraded to Universal or Intel versions and for which there are no substitutes or alternatives.

No subsitute? No alternative? Nonsense!

If you depend on PowerPC hardware, the only thing you need to be doing is collecting enough obsolete hardware to last until you retire. I love Parallels and think it is a great tool. But I would never let myself be dependent on it for my livelihood. It is a neat, convenient tool for which I have a number of alternatives.

Many high grade film scanners were long ago discontinued, or the manufacturers have exited that business.

People still still high grade film scanners.

I also have many old AppleWorks drawing documents which cannot be opened in Pages.

There are more graphics programs than just Pages.

The Lion compatible (Intel) versions of some essential utilities for my Epson 4880 printer were released by Epson last December (Epson LFP Remote Panel and Epson Printer Watcher), but these updates are missing many of the useful functions of the previous PPC versions. A fully functional Intel version of the software for my i1 Display 2 colorimeter hardware, used to calibrate monitors, won't be available until September.

Ever considered upgrading to Lion after your software supports it?

From June 15th until late September I’ll be in a remote location in Montana where dial-up is the only practical option. I’ve had to purchase a new modem (ZOOM 3095) since my Apple USB modem (purchased from the Apple Store in June 2009) won’t work on MacBook Pros with Lion installed (even when running the above Parallels “solution”).

But it will work on any hardware and operating system sold in June 2009, now won't it?

The “Safe Place” software that I had been using for years to store 189 encrypted passwords is PPC only. It required a full day to transcribe this data into the newly purchased 1Password application.

Keychain Assistant?

I could provide several further examples. This entire experience, except for my contact with MichaelLAX, has left a bitter taste and consumed an inordinate amount of time. Most of my friends and acquaintances who are Mac users have been completely unaware of these pending issues. I think that subsequent to June 30 there will be many who are completely surprised – and a resulting PR fiasco.

All MichaelLAX has done is push you out on a limb in the middle of nowhere Montana.

You have been using all of this old PowerPC software for how many years? I just cannot understand why it is critical, only now, to upgrade to Lion. If everything worked so well, why upgrade? You depend on this for your livelihood and you thank MichaelLAX for putting that in jeopardy?

I am absolutely, 100% certain, that you can do what you need to do with Lion or whatever software and hardware you were running in June, 2011. If your business really does require specialized hardware and software that is no longer sold or supported, then you should not be upgrading any of it. Perhaps that is bitter-tasting advice, but sometimes good medicine has a bad taste.

A classic case, if ever I saw one, of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

softwater wrote:

A classic case, if ever I saw one, of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

And a classic case of not reading the Thread. Posted and marked as answered by Moosbach in July last year, then taken over by people such as yourself and MichaelLax as your personal soapbox. Move on and help someone who's issue hasn't been addressed yet instead of being of nuisance value in threads such as these. I'm sure the OP will repost any other issues they have. Please practice what you preach to everyone here.

Cheers

Pete

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Parallels 7 Update: June 4, 2012 Build 7.0.15095 (Revision 768120) I can now confirm that the latest update of Build 7.0.15095 (Revision 768120; June 4, 2012) works with both a previously existing Snow Leopard environment and a new one I created today.

Oh!! The Thrill and excitement! Softie will be here to bow to your achievments shortly, while the majority happily carry on in Lion and avoid your hack.

A true Marvel, you had better resurect all those outdated threads you usually bump.

Great work.

Pete

First of all, english is not my mother tongue, so I am sorry, if I don't say things correctly.

It is a little bit annoying to see the argument on this issue. There are newbies on Macs like me, to whom a brand new Mac Mini is the first Mac of their life. I wanted to replace my PC with a Mac, because I searched for a user-friendly solution, to put some music and videos on it, play some classic games, wich told me, that they are not only Windows-, but also Mac-compatible (in fact, they are PPC). After I saw Snow Leopard, Macs became an option to me. And in early 2012 i bought a Mac Mini with Lion. Sad to see, that Front Row and Rosetta were removed, what left my Mac Mini a nearly useless only-Internet-performing machine to me.

I cannot downgrade to SL, because it wasn't the origin OS nor have I a MBP for target mode to replace Lion with SL. Front Row from a Retail-SL-Disc won't work proper (I tried this... and after I tried some other Mediacenter solutions, my opinion still is, that there is no other program that is as easy to handle much as Front Row is, especially with the Remote Control), and PPC support is gone forever.

For an OS, that has the reputation here in Germany, that there is less available software on the market for OSX than for other comparing OS, I am really confused about the fact, that a simple solution like Rosetta is able to cause so much frustration.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand the IBM-Apple-Lisence Situation to the point, that IBM wouldn't support Apple with PPC Code even if Apple wanted to make it. But I don't get it, why there shouldn't be other possibilities to make older Software for Macs working with Macs. I thought Apple is that smart? Must be gone in a lawsuit -.-

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Parallels 7 Update: June 4, 2012 Build 7.0.15095 (Revision 768120) I can now confirm that the latest update of Build 7.0.15095 (Revision 768120; June 4, 2012) works with both a previously existing Snow Leopard environment and a new one I created today.

His almighty lord and Mac savior has spoken! Let's all

bow our heads and pray for his greatness!!!!!!

huti1975 wrote:

First of all, english is not my mother tongue, so I am sorry, if I don't say things correctly.

It is a little bit annoying to see the argument on this issue. There are newbies on Macs like me, to whom a brand new Mac Mini is the first Mac of their life. I wanted to replace my PC with a Mac, because I searched for a user-friendly solution, to put some music and videos on it, play some classic games, wich told me, that they are not only Windows-, but also Mac-compatible (in fact, they are PPC). After I saw Snow Leopard, Macs became an option to me. And in early 2012 i bought a Mac Mini with Lion. Sad to see, that Front Row and Rosetta were removed, what left my Mac Mini a nearly useless only-Internet-performing machine to me.

I cannot downgrade to SL, because it wasn't the origin OS nor have I a MBP for target mode to replace Lion with SL. Front Row from a Retail-SL-Disc won't work proper (I tried this... and after I tried some other Mediacenter solutions, my opinion still is, that there is no other program that is as easy to handle much as Front Row is, especially with the Remote Control), and PPC support is gone forever.

For an OS, that has the reputation here in Germany, that there is less available software on the market for OSX than for other comparing OS, I am really confused about the fact, that a simple solution like Rosetta is able to cause so much frustration.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand the IBM-Apple-Lisence Situation to the point, that IBM wouldn't support Apple with PPC Code even if Apple wanted to make it. But I don't get it, why there shouldn't be other possibilities to make older Software for Macs working with Macs. I thought Apple is that smart? Must be gone in a lawsuit -.-

Do not worry about your English: your message and frustration comes through LOUD and CLEAR!

I, like you, purchased the mid-2011 Mac Mini, knowing it was Lion, but without knowing that Lion eliminated Rosetta. Necessity being the true Mother of Invention, and needing Quicken Deluxe 2002 (among other programs) to continue to work on a day to day basis, I started my process of researching an answer.

Some on this forum offered various solutions:

• The so-called Dual-Boot solution: either partition the internal hard disk, or add an external one, and install Snow Leopard, so as to be able to boot into one OS and then just as you need the other, twiddle your thumbs as you wait for the Mac to boot to the other OS. Then: repeat the process over and over and over as your needs require as the day transpires.

• Regress back to Snow Leopard: this solution ignores the reason that most of the Mac users upgraded to Lion in the first place: iCloud! And of course, for those who own the most modern hardware, such a solution is NOT possible.

• Upgrade all of your software and/or replace it with so-called "compatible" alternatives. It worked for them! Of course, these interlopers ignore the fact that there are those of us who continue to use legacy hardware with software that will never be upgraded, and/or legacy software with data files that will not convert correctly within these so-called "alternatives." So in other words, they have no reason to use or need Rosetta within Lion, but still think they have something valuable to say to those of us who do.

I found ALL of these alternatives useless, self-centered or both! I searched the internet and found the seeds of the solution that works for me and many others:

Installing Snow Leopard (with Rosetta) installed in Parallels 7 in Lion; a solution that offers a very small minority of Lion users who need this solution, a solution that works most of the time. It is not perfect, but most of the time, IT WORKS!

I just ignore the naysayers; their comments have no value to any of us. On the contrary, I continue to enjoy the compliments of those for whom I continue to help. One satisfied virtualization user is worth a thousand naysayer words!

A solution that continues to work with Parallels 7 Build 7.0.15098 (Revision 770637 June 13, 2012).

As to Front Row: I recommend that you purchase the AppleTV: I own one of each of the three generations of the device. I travel with one, enjoy one with my home entertainment system and use the third when I visit friends' homes. With the addition of the FireCore update, I can easily access my video library on multiple external hard drives. In addition, owning one free's your Mac from your home entertainment system for its other uses.

Moosbach wrote:

I would like to use Lion as a virtual system on Snow Leopard with Parallels 7. Is that a solution that works?

Given your problems... PROBABLY!

Moosbach wrote:

I would like to use Lion as a virtual system on Snow Leopard with Parallels 7. Is that a solution that works?

Actually I read your post as in jest, and responded accordingly.

Since you are the OP, it is possible that you are asking your question seriously.

If that is the case: I have no experience with attempting to virtualize Lion within Parallels 7 in Snow Leopard.

I am not sure for what reason you would attempt to do so (and feel free to be more specific about your reasons).

That is: why would you want to run Lion within Snow Leopard, as opposed to Snow Leopard within Lion?