save as missing in lion

Not by me, templates are designed to achieve this goal.

The fact that Apple representative is flooded about this enhancement is not surprising.

It was the same when, happily, they dropped faux-styles.

Creating new documents from standard ones is an efficient way to get corrupted ones.

It's the mean reason why templates were created.

Saving contracts revisions with different names is achieved thru duplicate.

In my tests the dialog defaults to the one used to open the document … at least as long as we don't open an other doc from an other folder but it was already the behavior under Snow Leopard.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 26 juillet 2011 16:43:21

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Totally agree.

I understand the approach of templates (which KOENIG Yvan explained) and I admit that many users didn't use them where they could or "should" have done it, but "Save as..." was used in many different situations:

Many times before starting a new document I browsed through different elder files and -inspired by the content of a particular file I found- I decided to start from there. But that's a one-time action it's just not meant to become a template...

But whatever our arguments will be, I am afraid that "Save as..." won't appear in OS X 10.7.1 or later.

I opened Numbers User Guide and it clearly states :

Creating a New Spreadsheet

To create a new Numbers spreadsheet, you pick the template that provides

appropriate formatting and content characteristics.

On next page it states :

Creating a New Spreadsheet

To create a new Numbers spreadsheet, you pick the template that provides

appropriate formatting and content characteristics.

And at last, standard documents aren't used to create new ones. They are opened !

Opening an Existing Spreadsheet

You can open an iWork ’08 or iWork ’09 spreadsheet. To take advantage of new

features, save iWork ’08 spreadsheets in iWork ’09 format. To let iWork ’08 users access

your spreadsheet, save it in iWork ’08 format.

When you open an iWork ’09 spreadsheet that’s password- …

You may open it to check.

I'm not biasing the given infos.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:24:21

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If you need to do that as a one time action, you have at least three schemes available:

open the document

Save a Copy

and work on the copy

alternate scheme #1

duplicate the file

open the duplicate

alternate scheme #2

open the file

menu File > Duplicate

work on the duplicate

Under 10.6.8, when I must start from a standard file to create a new one, I use the alternate scheme #1 exactly as I do since the day I bought my first mac and used AppleWorks.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:29:09

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Doesn't make it efficient or a good idea.

Apple broke this one. Of the three examples, only the first puts the copy in the same folder as the original. All the others take many more clicks.

As far as I know, nobody forced you to buy Lion.

I planned to wait at least 15 days but given the numbers of criticisms, I decided to look by myself but I'm not dumb enough to install it directly on the volume which I use to work.

Some design choices aren't which I would have done but from my point of view, nothing really boring.

I guess that I will have fun with it.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:56:16

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lhotka wrote:

Of the three examples, only the first puts the copy in the same folder as the original.

Nothing new on this point.

If I opened file#1 from folder #1 then file #2 from folder #2,

applying Save As upon file #1 brought me in folder #2.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:59:15

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a bit late perhaps, use Export instead of Save As

I agree that this should have never been taken out... it's driving everyone nuts at our small business. It adds an extra step that must be done with a mouse in Numbers and on top of that it leaves lots of unnecessary windows open. I even tried adding a shortcut key for duplicate via keyboard shortcut in system preferences but since Numbers has a duplicate menu item for pictures, tables and charts that does not work.

Save As replaced the file in the spot you needed while not opening up another window. I have messed with the template option as stated in this discussion but it honestly is not as efficient as hittings Command-Shift-S.

In our office we have reverted to re-installing iWork and ignoring the update in software update.

Even today I tried doing a Save As in Preview of a .pdf I downloaded and really... does it make sense I have to do an extra step to duplicate the file (making another window) just to rename it to a different location? Then close 2 windows? If you have the resume feature on you can't just quit the app cause those extra windows will pop up again.

Yvan I understand your point of view but honestly would it have been such a big deal to leave "Save As" in the file menu too?

We are fine now with our current solution of using a non-updated iWork but we may have to look into going back to MS Office if this doesn't eventually get put back in?

The changes to my workflow from the removal of save-as are unacceptable.

I often have a need not only to change filenames but also to save files into a different directory folder. In the past, good old SHIFT-COMMAND-S would give me visibilty as to where a file lives, even if I cancelled out of the Save-as process.

The new workflow is making decisions for me as to in which directory my work should be. So far, its making bad decisions since the OS isn't partically good at reading my mind.

Further, I can't figure out how to tell which directory the file I'm working on lives without doing a stupid Spotlight search. Or doing "Duplicate" -> "Save...", which clutters my directories. This is particulally frustrating when working with small graphics files that I am constantly inserting into a wide variety of documents across many folders from a wide variety of source directories...

Common Apple. I'm fanboy, but for the love of Pete, please give us at least to option to have Save-as re-instated somewhere in preferences.

Adam in Denver wrote:

Common Apple. I'm fanboy, but for the love of Pete, please give us at least to option to have Save-as re-instated somewhere in preferences.

We aren't Apple representatives but end users like you.

Go to "Provide Pages Feedback" in the "Pages" menu , describe what you wish.

Then, cross your fingers, and wait at least for iWork'11 or 12 ;-)

Here is something which may help you to get satisfaction.

Enter the Finder's Help.

Try to find the English version of :=

Créer et enregistrer des documents

Dans la plupart des applications, vous utilisez le menu Fichier pour créer de nouveaux documents. Bon nombre d’applications enregistrent automatiquement les documents sur lesquels vous travaillez, mais pas toutes. Dans le doute, consultez l’aide à l’écran de votre application ou toute autre documentation pour voir si l’application enregistre automatiquement les documents. Si elle n’effectue pas d’enregistrement automatique, il est recommandé d’enregistrer fréquemment les documents sur lesquels vous travaillez.

AfficherCréer un document

AfficherEnregistrer un document

AfficherSe déplacer rapidement vers un emplacement dans la zone de dialogue Enregistrer

MasquerEnregistrer une copie d’un document existant

You will see that the System Help describe the behavior of a Save As… menu item.

It may be a good starting point to ask for the return of this one.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 27 juillet 2011 21:37:26

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Just as in prior versions of Mac OS X you need to expand the save dialog box by clicking the down-facing triangle.

I did try adding ⌘ ⇧S as a keyboard command but it doesn't seem to "stick." Give yourself time to learn new habits. It's only taken me a couple of days.

Even if I do use a template, my work has been increased ...

Old Workflow - Open template, make the changes I want ... then Save As with a unique name (as a numbers file) ... then use the Share feature to send in an email (as an Excel file)

New Work flow - Open template, make changes I want, Export Document as Excel file, Close original document, give unique name as Numbers file, Open Mail, create new email, add Excel formatted attachment from Saved file.

Even if all Apple did was allow me to change the name of the file upon Exporting I could adjust my workflow and be OK (Use Share to send Excel file "properly named" first, then close document and name as Numbers file)

Regardless of the "intent" of how the software was to be used, it did in fact have this ability before, which was waaayyy more efficient.

I have been a MacGuy since the mid 80's and other than removing the orientation lock from the side button on my iPad (which Apple restored) this is only the 2nd SERIOUS gripe I have had.

Come on Steve ....

David Gnotta wrote:

New Work flow - Open template, make changes I want, Export Document as Excel file, Close original document, give unique name as Numbers file, Open Mail, create new email, add Excel formatted attachment from Saved file.

What is preventing you to give the name when you save the document ?

What is preventing you to define the storage folder when you save the document ?

What is preventing you to use Share as .xls in a mail directly?

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) vendredi 29 juillet 2011 20:09:27

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Details ... Details ... Details ... It is amazing how easy it is to overlook small, but important, details when one hasn't had their coffee yet.

I had saved my document as a template, but did not actually close it and reopen the actual template.

Once I opened that actual template I was able to save the file in Numbers format with a unique name, then use the Share feature to email with that unique name as an Excel file!

I bow before your greatness!

and thatnks for the quick response!!