Currently Being ModeratedJul 26, 2011 9:22 PM (in response to fredouille)
Yes this is the case with the new MAC Mini as well. I'm still trying to figure out how to get it as well. Send feedback through Apple's feedback site telling them you want iDVD to be available to purchase in the app store.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 28, 2011 3:40 PM (in response to fredouille)
It is now is apparent that iWeb, and iDVD, will no longer be supported by Apple since new Macs are shipping with iLife 11 installed but without iWeb and iDVD. iWeb will still continue to work but without the following:
Features Unavailable When Publishing to a Non-Mac Server:
◼ Password protection
◼ Blog and photo comments
◼ Blog search
◼ Hit counter
◼ RSS Feed Widget
All of these issues can be replaced with 3rd party optionsl There's another problem and that's with iWeb's popup slideshows. Once the MMe servers are no longer online the popup slideshow buttons will not display their images.
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However, Roddy McKay and myself have figured out a way to modify existing sites with those slideshows and iWeb itself so that those images will display as expected once MobileMe servers are gone. How to is described in this tutorial: #26 - How to Modify iWeb So Popup Slideshows Will Work After MobileMe is Discontinued.
I would imagine that iWeb and iDVD will be dropped from future boxed versions of iLife 11. However, there may be some copies still on the shelves that would include iWeb and iDVD. Those two apps were listed in small, gray text on the iLife box I bought.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 4:40 PM (in response to fredouille)
I just got off the phone with Apple Support. They are convinced that all new computers ship with iDVD and iWeb. It's disappointing that they aren't better informed.
Yesterday two different salespeople at the Apple store in NYC told me that Lion supports Rosetta. Apple should provide more training prior to these software releases.
Does anyone know if iDVD and iWeb are included on the new iMacs (with Lion preinstalled)?
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2011 3:51 PM (in response to tonifromberlin)
More than a little upset at this. I paid extra for a external superdrive just so I could burn family DVDs... After the sales person (Apple store) explained that it does come with iDVD... not appy about this at all...
Came here after some google searches.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2011 3:57 PM (in response to djr004)
I've been posting about the iDVD not being included with the new computers, and it seems like only a few people care. This could work to your benefit. If I were you, I'd call Apple Sales and tell them that you were told the complete iLife suite was included with new computers. If you strike the right balance of being nice and persistent, maybe they'll send you a free copy of iLife '11.
Here's some other threads:
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2011 4:17 PM (in response to melican)
If you look at the technical specs for the various Apple computer types you'll see different iLife contents on each. See my post at the end of this topic: Embed a Site Within an iWeb Page. Frankly If you're interested in using iDVD and iWeb for a while I'd try to purchase one of the remaining boxed versions of iLife 11 which contain iDVD and iWeb (look for them to be listed in small gray font on the box). That way you'll have a complete set on disk that you can use to install from.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2011 5:35 PM (in response to Old Toad)
So, here's the deal. Just called. Acted very nice, and - since they are "in a transision" to deleting physical media (their term!) - but I was told from the sales store that I could burn DVDs.... and I brought the Superdrive... that they would - mail me a free copy of iLife 11... which then I can use to install iDVD...
I explained that while I understood the move to "cloud" based storage.. that for critical family memories it was a crap idea. I akin it to puting photos in a safety deposit box, and then loosing the key after you die.. whereas, a shoebox of DVDs would be a rugged digital storage platform for years to come (much as you can still transfer super 8 film from the 50's)... The guy kinda laughed, and understood what I meant.. but still.. ****.. how am I supposed to tell a 3 year old where his family movies are stored.. I don't count on youtube being around for 100 years..
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2011 11:40 PM (in response to djr004)
I don't count on youtube being around for 100 years..
If you purchase a good quality DVD+R it should last for many decades. I use Taiyo Yuden DVDs, they come with a 100 year guarantee (keep your receipt).
There's a very interesting article about this subject in the April 2011 issue of Scientific American. The author makes the argument that digital photography (and Video) is much less likely to survive into the future than the older methods of photography.
The advantage I see in backing up to a regular DVD is the fact that there are billions of DVDs in the world today. The sheer number of them increases the probability that machines will exist in the future to extract the video.
Video stored on a DVD is in a compressed format so it is not the best possible backup to have. However, if other things fail a DVD may offer you the best chance of recovering your movie.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 10, 2011 4:20 AM (in response to Ziatron)
Very true,which is why I take the time to actually print (photo lab process) my favorite pictures and put them in a proper album. I think of digital storage for pictures/movies more as the negative/original of the film.. however since film no longer exists, DVDs are currently the best (And only) form of static stable media..
I'll have to find that article, thanks for mentioning it.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 24, 2011 2:42 AM (in response to fredouille)
I just went through this process and was disappointed in Apple as well. I am new to Mac and bought the Mac Book Pro for my business because we make training videos and sell DVDs. So not being able to burn DVDs on the computer was a bit of a shock.
Just a couple of thoughts:
I think the average consumer expects to be able to burn DVDs on any computer, as this is a standard function. As far as I can tell this capability is included on all PCs and Macs (up until now with the Lion). Failure to provide this is a substantial defect.
I would also note that the absence of the ability to burn DVDs isn't mentioned in any of the Apple advertisements, nor is it contained in the help function I accessed when learning how to make DVDs. The help function says to go to Share, select iDvD, wait for the movie to be prepared and then use iDVD menu to configure the DVD and burn it. When I followed this procedure it works initially. There is a drop down menu that shows iDVD as an option. If you select it, the computer goes through the several minute-long process of preparing the file to be sent to the DVD. And then it just disappears. There is no error message. This looks like a real screw-up. In fact we know from others reporting this problem that the first few customers to call the help line were told that iDVD should be on the computer. In other words, both the software and the Apple representatives were geared up for iDVD to be loaded on the computer.
Now my real problem is that in order to be able to get this very basic function to work, I was told by the Apple rep that I needed to purchase iLife 11. As we all now know, this cannot be downloaded but must be obtained from the apple store in CD format -- and it cost some $50. More painful yet, is that the Mac Book Pro comes with imovie, iPhoto and Garageband. Since iDVD cannot be purchased separately, Apple customers must purchase software they already have in order to buy something that ought to have been with the computer to begin with.
I cannot imagine that we would trust Apple products in the future given this expereince. I am only grateful that we didn't make a major purchase from Apple for the company as we had orginally considered doing.