GunnerBuck
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Q: What happened to Save As?

I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?

Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 AM

by Dennis_Burnham,Solvedanswer
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Yes, you moron, of course I am certain or I would not have wasted my time "ranting" as you call it.  With experience on this computer platform since 1984 and a shareholder for many years, I have earned the right to express an opinion that is, if I do say so myself, educated.

 

I did not say that there is anything wrong with Lion, notwithstanding some early adoption problems that will certainly become corrected in subsequent releases. Only a fool would discard that much progress because of a few minor glitches having to be learned or resolved.

 

The removal of SAVE AS is different.  It's a classic "ain't broke don't fix it" example.  On a system known for its intuitiveness, Save a Version is as counterintuitive as can be.  You execute the command and you're still on the same document, so what is the "version" and how does it differ from "Save" ?  The Duplicate command has worked splendidly in Photoshop, where there is a reason to have two identical docs open together.  In a word processing environment, that makes sense when you use BBEdit to compare text in multiple docs.  In Pages, as a substitute for Save As, it only results in your having to close the one you just duplicated and eventually use an additional step to name the new one something other than "copy".

 

This change is totally indefensible.  If someone can explain the rationale, go ahead.  Otherwise, you can call me an idiot or a ranter, but it's obvious by the existence of these discussions of the problem that I've got the world on my side on this one.

Posted on Sep 1, 2011 5:41 AM

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  • by Willie Nelson,

    Willie Nelson Willie Nelson Jul 17, 2013 8:45 PM in response to Jezra
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    Jul 17, 2013 8:45 PM in response to Jezra

    Well, I love you too, for saying thanks. Most happy to help, even a little bit!

  • by DChord568,

    DChord568 DChord568 Jul 17, 2013 8:47 PM in response to Jezra
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    Jul 17, 2013 8:47 PM in response to Jezra

    Jezra wrote:

     

    Why has it taken months and months on this forum for the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear to emerge???

     

    Maybe because you didn't look carefully enough.

     

    This information is contained in this post, which appeared almost exactly a month ago, just seven posts before yours!

  • by Barry,

    Barry Barry Jul 17, 2013 11:06 PM in response to Jezra
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    Jul 17, 2013 11:06 PM in response to Jezra

    Jezra wrote:

     

    "Why has it taken months and months on this forum for the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear to emerge???"

     

    This discussion began in 2011, when OS X v10.7 (Lion) was the current version of OS X. That was the version in which Save as... was removed and replaced with Duplicate. In Lion, pressing the option key did not change the Duplicate menu item in the File menu to Save as...

     

    "months and months" later, Apple released a new OS X version, v10.8 (Mountain Lion), in which Save as... was returned to the File menu, but required pressing the option key to reveal and choose. Soon after that (on the day of its release, as I recall), "the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear" emerged in this forum. It is difficult for a 'fact' to emerge before it becomes a 'fact.'

     

    Regards,

    Barry

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 18, 2013 4:40 AM in response to Barry
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    Jul 18, 2013 4:40 AM in response to Barry

    Barry wrote:

     

    Jezra wrote:

     

    "Why has it taken months and months on this forum for the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear to emerge???"

     

    This discussion began in 2011, when OS X v10.7 (Lion) was the current version of OS X. That was the version in which Save as... was removed and replaced with Duplicate. In Lion, pressing the option key did not change the Duplicate menu item in the File menu to Save as...

     

    "months and months" later, Apple released a new OS X version, v10.8 (Mountain Lion), in which Save as... was returned to the File menu, but required pressing the option key to reveal and choose. Soon after that (on the day of its release, as I recall), "the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear" emerged in this forum. It is difficult for a 'fact' to emerge before it becomes a 'fact.'

     

    Regards,

    Barry

    One month ago on June 18, in this thread, this appeared.

    Screen Shot 2013-07-18 at 6.37.02 AM.png

    I saw it, others saw it, you failed to see it.

  • by Jezra,

    Jezra Jezra Jul 18, 2013 5:23 AM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 18, 2013 5:23 AM in response to Csound1

    Thanks, Barry. That clarifies.

  • by Barry,

    Barry Barry Jul 18, 2013 12:21 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:21 PM in response to Csound1

    @ Csound1

     

    "I saw it, others saw it, you failed to see it...

    ...One month ago on June 18, in this thread, this appeared."

     

    I think your reply is misdirected, Csound1.

     

    The first mention in this thread of the reappearance of Save as.. in ML was posted on or about January 28, 2013. I (and others, probably including you) saw it then.

     

    Regards,

    Barry

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 18, 2013 12:23 PM in response to Barry
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:23 PM in response to Barry

    Yes, I just went back to the last occurrence rather than looking for all occurrences. And the reply was misdirected, looking for my hair shirt now

  • by oxcart,

    oxcart oxcart Jul 18, 2013 12:28 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:28 PM in response to Csound1

    I am glad I'm not the only person that does not remember things... like the PDF article covered in notes in my hand writing of which I have no recollection..

  • by oxcart,

    oxcart oxcart Jul 18, 2013 12:37 PM in response to oxcart
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:37 PM in response to oxcart

    While I'm signed in, I would just like to concur with the comment about adding extra keystrokes:

     

    Why should I do apple-shift-F for a find-by-file-name seach, which is the only one worth doing?

     

    Why should I have to type quotes around my search term in preview?

     

    Actually, for me this is a serious issue.  Preview is the only Apple software, apart from Safari, which is better than the competition... in all respects bar one!  Whupped with the ugly-stick if you ask me.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 18, 2013 12:48 PM in response to oxcart
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:48 PM in response to oxcart

    oxcart wrote:

     

    While I'm signed in, I would just like to concur with the comment about adding extra keystrokes:

     

    Why should I do apple-shift-F for a find-by-file-name seach, which is the only one worth doing?

    Because it doesn't work if you don't ?

  • by DChord568,

    DChord568 DChord568 Jul 18, 2013 12:57 PM in response to oxcart
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    Jul 18, 2013 12:57 PM in response to oxcart

    oxcart wrote:

     

    While I'm signed in, I would just like to concur with the comment about adding extra keystrokes:

     

    Why should I do apple-shift-F for a find-by-file-name seach, which is the only one worth doing?

     

    My turn to learn something. I didn't even know you could do this.

     

    I guess my annoyance and having to type this combination is tempered by learning that it's possible at all. I agree that Apple has totally screwed up its once very well implemented Find File function and made it several degrees of magnitide less useful and harder to work with than it once was.

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