GunnerBuck
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Q: What happened to Save As?

I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?

Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 AM

by Dennis_Burnham,Solvedanswer
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Yes, you moron, of course I am certain or I would not have wasted my time "ranting" as you call it.  With experience on this computer platform since 1984 and a shareholder for many years, I have earned the right to express an opinion that is, if I do say so myself, educated.

 

I did not say that there is anything wrong with Lion, notwithstanding some early adoption problems that will certainly become corrected in subsequent releases. Only a fool would discard that much progress because of a few minor glitches having to be learned or resolved.

 

The removal of SAVE AS is different.  It's a classic "ain't broke don't fix it" example.  On a system known for its intuitiveness, Save a Version is as counterintuitive as can be.  You execute the command and you're still on the same document, so what is the "version" and how does it differ from "Save" ?  The Duplicate command has worked splendidly in Photoshop, where there is a reason to have two identical docs open together.  In a word processing environment, that makes sense when you use BBEdit to compare text in multiple docs.  In Pages, as a substitute for Save As, it only results in your having to close the one you just duplicated and eventually use an additional step to name the new one something other than "copy".

 

This change is totally indefensible.  If someone can explain the rationale, go ahead.  Otherwise, you can call me an idiot or a ranter, but it's obvious by the existence of these discussions of the problem that I've got the world on my side on this one.

Posted on Sep 1, 2011 5:41 AM

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  • by cvigil13,

    cvigil13 cvigil13 Mar 12, 2012 6:19 PM in response to GunnerBuck
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    Mar 12, 2012 6:19 PM in response to GunnerBuck

    Where Are you looking? IF YOU GO TO FILE SAVE AS YOULL GET IT MAKE A DOCUMENT GO BACK IN TO IT AND THEN THE OPTION OF SAVE IS AVAILABLE.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Mar 12, 2012 6:40 PM in response to cvigil13
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    Mar 12, 2012 6:40 PM in response to cvigil13

    Could you possibly describe your shouting in a manner that makes even a shred of sense?

  • by stefano67,

    stefano67 stefano67 Mar 14, 2012 7:42 AM in response to GunnerBuck
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    Mar 14, 2012 7:42 AM in response to GunnerBuck

    Has anybody seen NeoOffice 3.2.1?

     

    There is a nice menu allowing to use Lion's features.

    If you do nothing you have Duplicate and all the Autosave/Versions crap.

    If you check "Disable Mac OS X Versions" you get Save As and just ignore Autosave/Verisons.

     

    It does not look hard to implement...

     

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  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Mar 14, 2012 7:48 AM in response to stefano67
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    Mar 14, 2012 7:48 AM in response to stefano67

    Which is what Apple and every third party vendor should do for their apps so the user has a choice.

  • by DChord568,

    DChord568 DChord568 Mar 14, 2012 7:50 AM in response to stefano67
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    Mar 14, 2012 7:50 AM in response to stefano67

    Thanks for pointing this out. If third-party developers like NeoOffice's and the one I mentioned earlier (Graphic Converter) can accomplish this, it's obvious that Apple could implement something similar for its iWork Suite. They would just have to have the will to do so.

     

    Incidentally, how interesting that this thread's latest apologist for Apple's intransigence has crawled back into the woodwork again, just as all of his predecessors have done.

     

    It's apparently too much for any of these people to actually take responsibility for their statements when they're challenged. So they just turn tail and run away. That tells you all you need to know about them.

  • by Dennis Burnham,

    Dennis Burnham Dennis Burnham Mar 14, 2012 8:12 AM in response to markinbali
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    Mar 14, 2012 8:12 AM in response to markinbali

    Don't bait those guys.  Allow them the satisfaction of thinking their ideas are welcome.  Maybe they will be inspired to spread their wisdom in other places.  Microsoft, perhaps.

  • by raftr,

    raftr raftr Mar 14, 2012 8:29 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Mar 14, 2012 8:29 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    Which is what Apple and every third party vendor should do for their apps so the user has a choice.

     

    Bear in mind that Apple forces every App Store app to use the new API for saving, alongside sandboxing. The deadline was just pushed back to July 1st.

     

    The strangest part is, most users who use Macs for work don't know about versions or autosave. It will be fun when they discover one day their web developement apps like Coda, BBEdit, Text Wrangler or Espresso have developed a life of their own. In web development it is crucial to know when your last save was done, also a lot work is done on remote volumes.

     

    Those are the types who are likely to make a noise in the blogosphere. It will be too little, too late I'm afraid.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Mar 14, 2012 8:50 AM in response to raftr
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    Mar 14, 2012 8:50 AM in response to raftr

    Bear in mind that Apple forces every App Store app to use the new API for saving, alongside sandboxing.

    Which is extremely sad that Apple's programmers seem to think they know better than their users what they want to do with their files.

     

    Good thing I guess that there's (currently) nothing in the Apple store I even care about that I can't purchase elsewhere. Other then any future Mac OS downloads, since that's the only place you'll be able to get them. Especially if Apple decides to stop even making them available as a USB stick installer.

     

    Adobe doesn't really need Apple's help selling their apps, but of course do offer them through Apple. No sense turning down another way for users to find and purchase your products. But forced versioning on Photoshop? Can you think of a better way to make such an app utterly useless? I'd be spending more time watching the OS save yet another version than getting actual work done.

  • by raftr,

    raftr raftr Mar 14, 2012 8:59 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Mar 14, 2012 8:59 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    But forced versioning on Photoshop? Can you think of a better way to make such an app utterly useless?

     

    Perhaps this is Apple's goal: to marginalise professionals, designers, coders, all that high-maintenance clientele who were Apple's customer base in Power PC era and now are the ones who have most demands and only bring in an insignificant margin of sales.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Mar 14, 2012 9:23 AM in response to raftr
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    Mar 14, 2012 9:23 AM in response to raftr

    Perhaps this is Apple's goal: to marginalize professionals, designers,...

    I hope not, but it sure seems that way. Other than a few minor changes, 2010 with the introduction of the Westmere CPUs was the last time we saw a significant change to the Mac Pro. Is Apple designing and still testing a whole new and more powerful design, or are they just catering to a now small portion of their sales with what they have (read, little development)?

     

    A person can't deny Apple is currently making money hand over fist on the consumer products. But what a wreck that would make of the entire desktop publishing (prepress, design) market since it was, and continues to be entirely built around the Mac OS, if they cease production of both computers and an OS that works at a level this market needs.

  • by elol,

    elol elol Mar 14, 2012 10:15 AM in response to markinbali
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    Mar 14, 2012 10:15 AM in response to markinbali

    Pixelmator 2.02 is theversion that only supports versions...   etc.....

    even sent an email to them and said I would not buy because of it...

     

    cheers elo

  • by raftr,

    raftr raftr Mar 14, 2012 10:20 AM in response to elol
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    Mar 14, 2012 10:20 AM in response to elol

    elol wrote:

     

    Pixelmator 2.02 is theversion that only supports versions...   etc.....

    even sent an email to them and said I would not buy because of it...

     

    Pixelmator is an Apple Design Award winning application, they would be insane not complying with whatever Apple say and risking not being put on the store front from time to time anymore.

  • by markinbali,

    markinbali markinbali Mar 15, 2012 10:12 PM in response to elol
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    Mar 15, 2012 10:12 PM in response to elol

    Alas! I bought Pixelmater from SmithMicro in 2010 so can not get the free upgrade. 1.6.7 runs perfectly well in Lion but I want tor try the new features of 2.02 so I will have to buy it. That's OK because its cheap enough but I do not like the idea of the added complication of versions. Its just an extra step to make mistakes when you are focussed on your work. Question: Can I install ver 2 and still keep ver 1 so that I will have both options in Lion? I mean after all I own them both.

  • by Omar.KN,

    Omar.KN Omar.KN Mar 16, 2012 3:35 AM in response to markinbali
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    Mar 16, 2012 3:35 AM in response to markinbali

    Ya,, you own them, but still the way they implement those apps is their control,

     

    so I think vs.2 will probably install itself on vs.1.

     

    Otherwise copy vs. on another disc, no this won't work either... but copy the entire account, with Library etc. on another disk, that should work hopefully.

     

    P.S. Not everything new is better.

     

    bw, Omar KN

  • by elol,

    elol elol Mar 16, 2012 5:14 AM in response to markinbali
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    Mar 16, 2012 5:14 AM in response to markinbali

    re pixelmator

     

    why not download the trial version useable for 30 days...(from their own site  not the app store...) they have a try button on their home page..

     

     

    worked for me...

     

     

    however I did not own any copy at all

     

    cheers elo

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