Q: What happened to Save As?

Done.

And here is a related question involving Autosave (apologies if this has already been addressed somewhere along the way): I've noticed since upgrading to Lion that Preview, TextEdit, Numbers, and Pages all seem more sluggish. (Files slow to open, save, close, etc.)

Has anyone else noticed this behavior? And could such sluggishness be being caused by the Autosave, either in terms of extra processing going on in the background, or in terms of bloated files due to the versions that are tagging along, etc.?

If this is the case, I would like not only to have the option of "Save As" but also the option of disabling Autosave.

Hi Donnie,

give a try to Keynote. Create and edit a 200 slide presentation with hires photos (quite common for workshops, events, etc).

When I did (10.7.0 or 10.7.1) my computer spent more time autosaving than allowing me to edit the file. It may have been fixed in next Lion releases, but I can't tell: I rolled back to Snow Leopard and Powerpoint.

Hi:

This is just the type of situation where we should call up the apple support desk.  Ask for help explain that you cannot run this way .  What can they do?

If no solution then tell them this is not satisfactory and you will move on to powerpoint instead as you must get on with your job.

Keynote has always been one of their pride and joy applications.

Hit them where it hurts...

This way it is now on the logs that gets reviewed by management and moves up the chain.

cheers

elo

Your Keynote experience, Stefano, is precisely the kind of problem Apple needs to recognize.  Keynote is, as elol added, one of the applications Apple is most fond of.  I love Keynote, and I can't imagine using anything else to create a presentation. 

Some of my Keynote files and small, text-only, and intended to be exported to Power Point to share with others less fortunate than us.  In fact, the now-discontinued iWork.com beta site used to be outstanding for giving viewers of the file the option to download the format of their choice, or download nothing at all and just view it.  But I digress ...

Other Keynote files are larger because they include many photos.  Often, people don't realize that the photos they insert into a Keynote file need not be high resolution when the presentation is not being printed, but only viewed on a display device.  Nevertheless, it doesn't take many photos or Quick Time movies to make a Keynote file quite large.  Add a soundtrack with music or narration and it gets even bigger.  And we don't need to waste valuable disk space storing so many incremental copies of the file.

Moreover, if you were to use the Revert command and needed to decide which verion to go back to --- how would you differentiate one from the other.  Maybe the slides themselves provide a clue - but maybe the changes you made involved builds or transitions from one slide to another, and you could waste hours examining the earlier editions trying to find the last one that preceded the "error" you made that caused you to desire to revert in the first place. 

And, to add insult to injury, while you're taking all that time exploring your previous versions of the file, Auto-Save is still working away, making new versions of your current file.

Conclusion:  Keynote should definitely allow users to specify if they want auto-saving turned on or off, perhaps with a user-specified time interval.  For someone who wants to use SAVE AS instead, that option should also be there.

Given that Keynote also works on the iOS platform, where storage space is more limited than on desktop computers, the auto-saving makes more sense, it is worth noting that there is no REVERT command.  Search the Keynote HELP file for "revert" and you won't find anything.  If you edit a slide and find the need to go backward, you get an UNDO button.  No saving, no reverting.   Does it make sense on the mobile device?  As far as I'm concerned, it's good enough for me.

But on the desktop, which I still consider my "real" work environment, I want more control.

Dennis, I agree 100%.

have you ever used CVS? A 20 years old technology allowing you to:

1. save a new version if AND ONLY IF you want

2. attach a comment to the new version for easy retrieval (e.g. "Changed slide transition to cross-fade")

Cheers

The only CVS I know about is a pharmacy chain.  I'd like to explore whatever you're referring to.

Regarding Text Edit, I'll just add that you can save in various formats when saving the TextEdit file for the first time.  But only when saving it for the first time.  If you have re-visited a Text Edit document several times, you would have to make a Duplicate, and then you get your format options, which include Plain Text, Word, and RIch Text.  You can also export to PDF.

Inasmuch as I am in the message above being scolded for wasting time by someone who reminds me that the Export commands in the File Menu and the Share Menu are identical, let me mention that none of the defenders of the new Apple menu changes seem to think there is anything confusing about the same command being located in two menus.  I have often wondered if the result of my using the Share menu item will produce different results, especially when delving into the many options for QuickTime.

I should also add that I reserve the right to waste my own writing time.  Anybody who chooses to read, or not read, what I've written can decide for themselves whether their reading time was wasted.  As much as I bemoan the way our colleague in France wastes everyone's reading time, I have learned to skip his posts.  In this case, however, i cannot help identifying a small, but significant flaw he consistently makes.

He would anger fewer people if, instead of writing "there is no reason" he would say "I don't see a reason". Doing so would demonstrate an ability to at least try to see things from someone else's point of view and thereby maybe learn something, too.  The declarative there is no reason just underscores the obnoxious and self-righteous certainty that he is right and the rest of us are wrong.

(1) Save a version save different states of a given document in a given format so there is no reason to give the ability to embed one version in a different format.

Hello Dennis,

CVS stands for Concurrent Versions System (yes, more users can work on the same files concurrently...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concurrent_Versions_System

You can find it here (or in every Linux distro) http://cvs.nongnu.org/

A MAc client for CVS is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cvsgui/files/MacCvs/MacCvsX%203.3b1/

CVS is now being substituted by Subversion (http://subversion.apache.org/)

Good reading 

Thanks for sharing this informantion, Stefano.

News from PixelMator

http://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2012/04/24/pixelmator-2-0-3-is-out/

Last but not least, users who don’t get along entirely with the Lion OS X Autosave feature can now turn it off in Pixelmator by typing this command in the Terminal: 

defaults -currentHost write com.pixelmatorteam.pixelmator "disableAutosave" -bool YES

Fantastic...

better watch out or pixelmator will be reported to the apple police....

have anyone tried this with pages/numbers....?????

Elo

TUAW (http://www.tuaw.com/2012/04/24/pixelmator-updated-to-2-0-3-better-memory-managem ent-more-enha/) says: "One final note: if you are one of the many Lion users who is unhappy with the Autosave feature, the company has provided a Terminal command that you can use to turn off that capability in Pixelmator."

Hi

I read into this a little more.

I believe this means there is no autosave only

and    they have left in the versions, duplicate etc...

ie   Save as is still not there.....

let me know if I am wrong..

cheers elo

No idea. I don't have Lion (and never will...)

Hi:

got a reply back from pixelmator

     Hi Elo,

    Versions are part of the Auto Save feature. So, if you turn off Auto Save you'll have the saving options as they      there on OS X Snow Leopard (Save, Save As).

          Best,

Guess I was wrong....

cheers elo