GunnerBuck
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Q: What happened to Save As?

I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?

Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 AM

by Dennis_Burnham,Solvedanswer
Dennis_Burnham Dennis_Burnham
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A:

Yes, you moron, of course I am certain or I would not have wasted my time "ranting" as you call it.  With experience on this computer platform since 1984 and a shareholder for many years, I have earned the right to express an opinion that is, if I do say so myself, educated.

 

I did not say that there is anything wrong with Lion, notwithstanding some early adoption problems that will certainly become corrected in subsequent releases. Only a fool would discard that much progress because of a few minor glitches having to be learned or resolved.

 

The removal of SAVE AS is different.  It's a classic "ain't broke don't fix it" example.  On a system known for its intuitiveness, Save a Version is as counterintuitive as can be.  You execute the command and you're still on the same document, so what is the "version" and how does it differ from "Save" ?  The Duplicate command has worked splendidly in Photoshop, where there is a reason to have two identical docs open together.  In a word processing environment, that makes sense when you use BBEdit to compare text in multiple docs.  In Pages, as a substitute for Save As, it only results in your having to close the one you just duplicated and eventually use an additional step to name the new one something other than "copy".

 

This change is totally indefensible.  If someone can explain the rationale, go ahead.  Otherwise, you can call me an idiot or a ranter, but it's obvious by the existence of these discussions of the problem that I've got the world on my side on this one.

Posted on Sep 1, 2011 5:41 AM

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  • by Dennis Burnham,

    Dennis Burnham Dennis Burnham Apr 30, 2012 9:11 AM in response to DChord568
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:11 AM in response to DChord568

    DChord568 wrote:

    I wonder how Google Translate would handle "obtuse"?

     

    I suspect the best translation for the word might be x-rated.

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 9:29 AM in response to Dennis Burnham
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:29 AM in response to Dennis Burnham

    Hi:

     

    thinking about the issue of pages and numbers once again. 

     

    my version of it worked as I wanted  in 10.6.8     the same version then changed in 10.7.3

     

    therefore there is a key to turn it on and off.

     

    think pixelmator, neooffice, graphic converter

     

    maybe the same key instruction in terminal works...??

     

    I am having problems with it changing even pixelmator who do not know why?  Yet?(they are very helpful)

     

    think it is me

     

    anyone else out there willing to try it...???

     

    cheers   elo laugesen  

  • by KOENIG Yvan,

    KOENIG Yvan Apr 30, 2012 9:32 AM in response to Dennis Burnham
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:32 AM in response to Dennis Burnham

    Dennis Burnham wrote:

     

    Regarding templates, DChord, I find it interesting that Save as Template... does not have a keyboard equivalent, which means that if I were to save every document as a template file, I could not conclude my work and arrive at the PutFile dialog box by typing command-W or command-S.

    Since the delivery of the very first OS X, we may attach a shortcut to every existing menu item.

    2012-04-30T18.19.10.png

    In french, « Save As Template… » is spelled « Enregistrer comme modèle…  » and I gave it a shortcut.

    2012-04-30T18.30.58.png

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

  • by KOENIG Yvan,

    KOENIG Yvan Apr 30, 2012 9:35 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:35 AM in response to elol

    elol wrote:

     

     

    maybe the same key instruction in terminal works...??

     

    I am having problems with it changing even pixelmator who do not know why?  Yet?(they are very helpful)

     

    think it is me

     

    anyone else out there willing to try it...???

    No luck. Such a feature require the availability of code able to execute it in the applications.

    The tip doesn't apply to Apple applications deprieved of Save As.

    In iWork applications, it's the system's version which is used as a switch.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 9:39 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:39 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan

    Yvan:

     

    thank you .   any help is welcome...

     

    have you tried it?

     

    or are you just assuming???

     

    cheers elo

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 9:41 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:41 AM in response to elol

    Yvan.

     

    read your comments...

     

    How do you  change the System Version?

     

    (besides going back to an older version)

     

    and you know there are weird and wonderful things one can do?

     

    cheers elo

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 10:01 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:01 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan

    Yvan:

     

    you are  an Artist and I live with one(my wife and partner) and I have owned  several galleries in canada and england.

    I have looked at your web sites, past images of pots etc.    you are very creative, tried new things in fact you have pushed the boundaries....  you made a living of it(which is more than most artist do)    

     

    do not tell me you do not push/play with the software on your computer with the access you have to the new world of apple.??? I Know there are rules.        but no potter ever followed the set standard rules for firing a kiln or using the same glaze as every one else.     likewise   no coffee mug ever looks the same???  

     

    Help us....   then you and all us of go back to apple and say... what they dream up is not always perfect?

     

    is that not what apple really want from Beta Testers?   I and my staff in my past had to do the following

     

    1.  Check that beta software  works according to the book and our specs?

    2.  Is it useable...   can you live with it?   can the other users live with it? Is it good for the company(apple)

     

    cheers elo

  • by KOENIG Yvan,

    KOENIG Yvan Apr 30, 2012 10:16 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:16 AM in response to elol

    As always, I tested before answering.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

  • by KOENIG Yvan,

    KOENIG Yvan Apr 30, 2012 10:20 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:20 AM in response to elol

    It seems that my wording was not clear.

    When the app « see » that it's running under 10.6, it exec the old fashioned code.

    When it « see » that it's running under 10.7 or higher, it exec the new code.

     

    It's what is done by GraphicConvert according to its dedicated preference which is visible (UI available).

     

    It's what is done by Pixelmator according to its dedicated preference which is hidden (no UI available).

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

  • by KOENIG Yvan,

    KOENIG Yvan Apr 30, 2012 10:26 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:26 AM in response to elol

    My job as tester is not this one.

    I check the French localization which alas contain a huge number of spelling and Grammar error.

    I don't check the technical aspects.

    They are numerous beta testers doing that but not to check the localization.

     

    I apologize but this message is my last one (at least for some weeks).

    If I don't do that, I will be banned for a week.

    From my point of view, trying to explain that you are wrong is less interesting than helping users which are facing true problems so I leave you.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

  • by markinbali,

    markinbali markinbali Apr 30, 2012 10:52 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:52 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan

    KOENIG Yvan wrote:

     

    It seems that my wording was not clear.

    When the app « see » that it's running under 10.6, it exec the old fashioned code.

    When it « see » that it's running under 10.7 or higher, it exec the new code.

     

    It's what is done by GraphicConvert according to its dedicated preference which is visible (UI available).

     

    It's what is done by Pixelmator according to its dedicated preference which is hidden (no UI available).

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

    My Box account  is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

    Yvan,

    Don't leave yet. One last question.

    It seems from what you said above that  there is no technical reason why the preference option we are requesting could not easily be provided in any app?

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 11:08 AM in response to markinbali
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:08 AM in response to markinbali

    Hi:

     

    quickly..   just fired up 10.6.8 then ran both pages and the numbers apps from my 10.7.03 disc...

     

     

    worked with save as....no versions....

     

     

    that means as I said earlier the code is there. 

     

    could someone try the terminal instructions i mentioned earlier to turn off autosave for pages and numbers...

     

    something is there....

     

    sounds like science fiction...

     

    cheers...  elo

  • by Barry,

    Barry Barry Apr 30, 2012 11:15 AM in response to Dennis Burnham
    Level 7 (32,721 points)
    iWork
    Apr 30, 2012 11:15 AM in response to Dennis Burnham

    "I no longer have access to the pre-Lion edition of iWork to see if command-shift-S or some other keystroke combination invoked Save As, the way it does in most Adobe applications."

     

    Numbers '09 (pre-Lion) file menu:

     

    Picture 20.png

    Shift-command-S for Save as... is pretty common, going back at least to ClarisWorks.

     

    Regards,

    Barry

  • by elol,

    elol elol Apr 30, 2012 11:17 AM in response to Barry
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:17 AM in response to Barry

    Barry?

     

    it is the same version....(i believe)

     

    same code same software....

     

     

    still

     

    cheers elo

  • by Barry,

    Barry Barry Apr 30, 2012 11:25 AM in response to elol
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:25 AM in response to elol

    elo...

     

    Numbers '09 v4.0.x (x=3 in this case), running under Tiger. Not quite the same version.

    Posted to answer Dennis's implied question regarding keystroke shortcut to Save as... in pre-Lion versions.

     

    Regards,

    Barry

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