Q: What happened to Save As?

No problem. Quote away.

I agree, Kurt. Doesn't sound like much of an improvement. I don't know, the option for renaming files might help some, but I'm looking for Save As back.

Doesn't sound like much of an improvement. I don't know, the option for renaming files might help some, but I'm looking for Save As back.

There's only one way to make Autosave/Duplicate act like Save As.

Press Command+Shift+S, and the OS automatically reverts the original file to its last saved state so you don't have to think about it. The same way Save As works. The new file then automatically gets the document assigned to it with all of the current version changes still intact.

Exactly Kurt, I can set that up in the Keybord preferences in about 10 minutes. And I can set up a macros that almost does the same thing as Save-As. And I can also not run Lion and switch to Microsoft if I want to. I mean who thinks that is a solution from Apple? Really?

I use a Snow Leopard version of iWorks by never upgrading it. But I should not have to use a work around.

Beyond that, if Mountain Lion is also at joke, I will look elsewhere for my computing needs. It is not just this one issue. I now don't TRUST Apple any more. I don't trust what they might do in the future.

I update evey 4 years, buying the best hardware available then running it as long as I can. Since I am ready to upgrade that is about $6,900 of investment I am holding back on. If Apple screw this up I will look at Windows 8. My friend just bought a Windows computer for his work, when he has an Apple at home, and it was half the price. Samsung brand. So Apple has to watch out, some competitors are waking up while they are going to sleep.

I update evey 4 years, buying the best hardware available then running it as long as I can. Since I am ready to upgrade that is about $6,900 of investment I am holding back on. If Apple screw this up I will look at Windows 8. My friend just bought a Windows computer for his work, when he has an Apple at home, and it was half the price. Samsung brand. So Apple has to watch out, some competitors are waking up while they are going to sleep.

I am also waiting to see what Apple does with Mountain Lion even though I don't have much reason to think it will improve. If I did switch I would probably pick Windows 7 as Wndows 8 is tablet OS for the desktop.

I think both Apple and MS have lost their minds.

I know people love their iPads and iPhones, but people that have desktops love them, too.  Why does it all have to be the same?

I want my desktop to be different.  It also has to work harder and be more customizable.  You are able to format it and put other OS on it.  iPhones and iPads can't do that.

Is that what's going to happen??  Every new computer out there will be locked?

That's nuts.

This is my fear, too, Linda. I'm afraid Apple is so intent on making the Mac into essentially another ios device that they are going to end up crippling its functionality. iPads and iPhones are great for casual use, media consumption, etc., but they can't do the kind of heavy-duty work a computer can.

I've used Macs since system 7.5 back in the mid 90's, and have always enjoyed the new advances with each operating system—until Lion. Now we are definitely going backwards in terms of ease of use and efficiency—and that's what it's all about, right?

Hi:

One more place where you can state your frustrations.

The App Store

there is a comments section for each app.  lots of negative comments and good ones.  people read this before they buy....

If you comment in there tell them how wonderfull the product is, why you use it ,  but the latest change "save As Versions" makes it difficult if not impossible to use for professional work    then maybe they will listen...

be nice.   they do say inapproriate comments will be removed.   but some of them are pretty heavy...

the key to me" I love the products but the unsolicited changes to them means I have to look elsewhere."

cheers elo

So every new Mac OS worked great from about the time that Steve Jobs rejoind Apple, to the time he stopped being fully in charge...

HI  

Donnie Ashworth wrote:

 

I've used Macs since system 7.5 back in the mid 90's, and have always enjoyed the new advances with each operating system—until Lion. Now we are definitely going backwards in terms of ease of use and efficiency—and that's what it's all about, right?

What donnie said here is what has to be included in all our statements.    We are used to apple, gone with them even in their lost years,   but now we stand up and argue....

Linda, like that advert that Apple used, with "big brother" being IBM, and they were setting the people free to think differently. Now they are the big brother they warned us all about, and IBM are the tiny ones. Wow, what a cycle.

I found a facebook group about this. It has 4 members. Maybe there really are millions that love the new way and just 9 of us upset about it? https://www.facebook.com/groups/356767911010984/

I was actually joking BTW. There are 15k views here and another forum has over 66k.

It's the seemingly arbitrary removal of long-standing features that people depend on...that's what bothers me, and there seems to be a disturbing trend of this in the attempts to ios-ify the operating system.

I think they thought that people want the iOS when they buy an iPad. People just want the box. I hate that iWorks iOS is a crippled brother of OSX. I hate that iOS Skype is nothing like OSX Skype. I still own an iPad. BTW iOS Pages and Numbers still uses files, which you transfer to your Mac. It has a file system of sorts. Why? Because it needs it!

They assume most people have no idea what they're doing with their computers, even those who use them for work. Most of what happens on the computer is a mystery, people are completely lost. I agree with that to a large extent. A lot of people—and not only the elderly—only have a few paths mapped on their computers where they feel safe. "If I click here, then usually internet opens and I go to email website".

The settings, folder locations, installing, uninstalling… they're lost there. Doesn't everyone in your family have a "computer person"? In most cases… you

Apple sells so many more dumbed-down tablet computers for people who were confused with old-style OS that they made it a future strategy to make it all idiot-simple. I get it.

Only… what they've just created is more confusion. The new way of saving isn't any simpler. The two paradigms are here to stay together and contribute to a terrible user experience mess.