GunnerBuck
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Q: What happened to Save As?

I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?

Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 AM

by Dennis_Burnham,Solvedanswer
Dennis_Burnham Dennis_Burnham
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A:

Yes, you moron, of course I am certain or I would not have wasted my time "ranting" as you call it.  With experience on this computer platform since 1984 and a shareholder for many years, I have earned the right to express an opinion that is, if I do say so myself, educated.

 

I did not say that there is anything wrong with Lion, notwithstanding some early adoption problems that will certainly become corrected in subsequent releases. Only a fool would discard that much progress because of a few minor glitches having to be learned or resolved.

 

The removal of SAVE AS is different.  It's a classic "ain't broke don't fix it" example.  On a system known for its intuitiveness, Save a Version is as counterintuitive as can be.  You execute the command and you're still on the same document, so what is the "version" and how does it differ from "Save" ?  The Duplicate command has worked splendidly in Photoshop, where there is a reason to have two identical docs open together.  In a word processing environment, that makes sense when you use BBEdit to compare text in multiple docs.  In Pages, as a substitute for Save As, it only results in your having to close the one you just duplicated and eventually use an additional step to name the new one something other than "copy".

 

This change is totally indefensible.  If someone can explain the rationale, go ahead.  Otherwise, you can call me an idiot or a ranter, but it's obvious by the existence of these discussions of the problem that I've got the world on my side on this one.

Posted on Sep 1, 2011 5:41 AM

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  • by stefano67,

    stefano67 stefano67 May 17, 2012 2:13 AM in response to Lemmy Caution
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    May 17, 2012 2:13 AM in response to Lemmy Caution

    OMG, I can't stop laughting... "French Pavliks" is still better than "Little Snitch"...

  • by DChord568,

    DChord568 DChord568 May 17, 2012 6:03 AM in response to Lemmy Caution
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    May 17, 2012 6:03 AM in response to Lemmy Caution

    Lemmy Caution wrote:

     

     

     

     

    Let's just hope that French, demented, old Pavliks don't have too much influence on Apple's decisions...

     

    LOL! I had to follow the link.

     

    Here in my hometown, that term has a very different connotation!

  • by Dennis Burnham,

    Dennis Burnham Dennis Burnham May 17, 2012 6:16 AM in response to DChord568
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    May 17, 2012 6:16 AM in response to DChord568

    Agreed!  If we are fortunate enough to get this problem solved, even partially, I will be the first to offer up a recipe for humble pie.   And you can probably guess what some of the ingredients will be.

  • by elol,

    elol elol May 18, 2012 1:28 PM in response to GunnerBuck
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    May 18, 2012 1:28 PM in response to GunnerBuck

    Hi:

     

    note The app store's featured "apps enhanced for OSX LION" page now defines  at the top what is an enhanced featured app,

     

     

     

    they must feature "Multi-touch gestures, Full Screeen Apps, Resume, Auto-Save and Versions"

     

    cheers   elo

  • by elol,

    elol elol May 19, 2012 11:01 AM in response to GunnerBuck
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    May 19, 2012 11:01 AM in response to GunnerBuck

    Graphic Converter 8 has just been released.     A complete rewrite.   "Preview" plus much more...(I know some things may be missing but many other features)

     

    AND! AND! AND!    still offers the opt-in/opt-out feature we all want.   found it in preferences and an email straight from Thorsten himself.

     

    cheers elo

     

     

    still hope out there...

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus May 19, 2012 2:18 PM in response to elol
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    May 19, 2012 2:18 PM in response to elol

    elol,

     

    I've just been busy, so no offence taken. I think you guys are all great.

     

    I will let you know when the ebook is ready. It will be in a few months time. I have to complete some other ebooks first. I will come here and contact you all about it. It will be available on the iBooks store for iPad!

     

    Until then I'm off again. I was just passing through here and I saw the comments you all left me. Thanks.

     

    Enjoy the future whatever Apple does, and say hi to Pavliks, or the little snitch. He actaully looked it up...

     

    Steve

  • by dt3000,

    dt3000 dt3000 May 28, 2012 7:01 AM in response to mitchbentley
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    May 28, 2012 7:01 AM in response to mitchbentley

    Without having to go through 47 or more pages of arguing...is there actually a solution to this as I want to Save As a Word Document for other people to read?

     

    Thanks

     

    Scratch that...just found Export...would still prefer the Save As function though.

  • by Jezra,

    Jezra Jezra May 28, 2012 9:15 AM in response to dt3000
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    May 28, 2012 9:15 AM in response to dt3000

    No.  You have to do it their way, which is to duplicate and save the copy of your document.

  • by stefano67,

    stefano67 stefano67 May 28, 2012 11:14 AM in response to GunnerBuck
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    May 28, 2012 11:14 AM in response to GunnerBuck

    Hello everybody. A quick update about Mountain Lion.

     

    1. Save As will be back, pressing the Option key while selecting the File menu.

    2. Autosave on program exit can be disabled so that if you exit an app with modified content it asks yu if you want to save or not

     

    Now what is missing is an option to completely disable the Versions crap and it's done.

    Cheers

  • by linda2009,

    linda2009 linda2009 May 28, 2012 11:19 AM in response to stefano67
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    May 28, 2012 11:19 AM in response to stefano67

    For REALS stefano??

     

    I might just start thinking about upgrading the OS from SL.

  • by stefano67,

    stefano67 stefano67 May 28, 2012 11:50 AM in response to linda2009
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    May 28, 2012 11:50 AM in response to linda2009

    Linda,

     

    I cannot give further details. You can write me at steluci@gmail.com

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang May 28, 2012 1:33 PM in response to stefano67
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    May 28, 2012 1:33 PM in response to stefano67

    Hi stefano67,

     

    Yes, I've seen screen shots from the developer's preview. Very good to see that Apple does indeed listen to its customers. Even though Autosave/Versions is technically still running, you at least have the option to "disable" it by closing your documents and telling it to ignore all changes.

     

    All in all, along with a Save As, you can do everything as before. Though there is still one big problem. As users of Final Cut Pro X, Pages, and other apps with Autosave enabled on large documents, you still have the issue of apps becoming almost completely unresponsive as it Autosaves yet another minor change, and you have to watch the spinning lollipop - again - before you can continue working.

     

    Some nice changes in ML from Apple for sure, but they still need to allow users to turn it OFF.

  • by Dennis Burnham,

    Dennis Burnham Dennis Burnham May 28, 2012 6:12 PM in response to Kurt Lang
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    May 28, 2012 6:12 PM in response to Kurt Lang

    Thrilled to hear this news.  Big step in the right direction.  Eager to explore ML when it comes out.  WIll have to get out my french dictionary to compose something exquisite.

  • by DChord568,

    DChord568 DChord568 May 29, 2012 7:16 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    May 29, 2012 7:16 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    Hi stefano67,

     

    Yes, I've seen screen shots from the developer's preview.

     

    For those who missed these the first time around:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1354730&page=3

     

    See posts 54 and 63.

  • by linda2009,

    linda2009 linda2009 May 29, 2012 8:06 AM in response to DChord568
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    May 29, 2012 8:06 AM in response to DChord568

    DChord,

    If I'm not mistaken, according to the screenshot from post 54 (from your link), another option added that is currently default in SL is the option to "Close windows when quitting an application."

     

    Sounds like those that were reporting dissatisfaction with certain applications automatically opening the last documents open, now have the option to turn that off.  That sounds like something I would want, because even if SL had the option to "...restore open documents..." I would NOT enable that option.  When I close Pages, Numbers, Preview, etc. I want it to be CLOSED, shut down, done!  When I open it, I want to choose what it opens.  I suppose there are those that like the same document(s) to open everytime.  That's what (did) makes Apple desktops so awesome...CHOICE!  That's why I've always loved my Mac.  Choice.

     

    So if Apple changes certain OS behaviors, I hope they will realize this and work in ways to allow users choices.

     

    cheers!  Things are looking up!

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