GunnerBuck
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Q: What happened to Save As?

I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?

Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 AM

by Dennis_Burnham,Solvedanswer
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A:

Yes, you moron, of course I am certain or I would not have wasted my time "ranting" as you call it.  With experience on this computer platform since 1984 and a shareholder for many years, I have earned the right to express an opinion that is, if I do say so myself, educated.

 

I did not say that there is anything wrong with Lion, notwithstanding some early adoption problems that will certainly become corrected in subsequent releases. Only a fool would discard that much progress because of a few minor glitches having to be learned or resolved.

 

The removal of SAVE AS is different.  It's a classic "ain't broke don't fix it" example.  On a system known for its intuitiveness, Save a Version is as counterintuitive as can be.  You execute the command and you're still on the same document, so what is the "version" and how does it differ from "Save" ?  The Duplicate command has worked splendidly in Photoshop, where there is a reason to have two identical docs open together.  In a word processing environment, that makes sense when you use BBEdit to compare text in multiple docs.  In Pages, as a substitute for Save As, it only results in your having to close the one you just duplicated and eventually use an additional step to name the new one something other than "copy".

 

This change is totally indefensible.  If someone can explain the rationale, go ahead.  Otherwise, you can call me an idiot or a ranter, but it's obvious by the existence of these discussions of the problem that I've got the world on my side on this one.

Posted on Sep 1, 2011 5:41 AM

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  • by stefano67,

    stefano67 stefano67 Aug 14, 2012 6:00 AM in response to Steve Maximus
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    Aug 14, 2012 6:00 AM in response to Steve Maximus

    Steve,

     

    what about Photoshop Elements (often free with scanners and or other products)?

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Aug 14, 2012 6:09 AM in response to markinbali
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    Aug 14, 2012 6:09 AM in response to markinbali

    That is all true. I mentioned Xee to be used strictly as a viewer, which is all I use Preview for. If I want to edit images, I use Photoshop. Here's some of the higher rated free editors on MacUpdate's site:

     

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/12453/toyviewer

     

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/15662/seashore

     

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/5234/goldberg-x

     

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/18064/livequartz-image-editor

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Aug 14, 2012 6:13 AM in response to stefano67
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    Aug 14, 2012 6:13 AM in response to stefano67

    I was just going to suggest that one. Cheap at only $64. Does a lot of what it's big brother can for a fraction of the cost. Elements doesn't support CMYK, so keep that in mind.

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus Aug 14, 2012 7:25 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Aug 14, 2012 7:25 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt,

     

    Elements is too heavy for what I am doing. It creates layers I don't need etc. powerful but complex.

     

    I tried Seashore and it was a disaster compared to Preview. Everything was so complicated to achieve simple outcomes. Powerful but complex.

     

    Preview was powerful and uncomplicated, the Steve Jobs way.

     

    I will try live quartz. The others look powerless and complex.

     

    Steve.

  • by markinbali,

    markinbali markinbali Aug 14, 2012 8:51 PM in response to Steve Maximus
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    Aug 14, 2012 8:51 PM in response to Steve Maximus

    Steve, Can you get over to Sanur? You can find me at The wicked Parrot or the Cat & Fiddle.

     

    http://wickedparrot.com

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus Aug 15, 2012 3:18 AM in response to markinbali
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:18 AM in response to markinbali

    Sorry Mark, I am busy in Kuta the next few days and I am probably leaving on Friday, depending on some Visa stuff. If plans change I will let you know. It would be weird to meet a real person from this forum. Thanks. Steve.

  • by whatevera,

    whatevera whatevera Aug 15, 2012 5:59 AM in response to GunnerBuck
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    Aug 15, 2012 5:59 AM in response to GunnerBuck

    Ladies and Gentlemen - "save as"

     

    Rather than using the Cloven Hoof of Doom keyboard shortcut, do this:

     

    System Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts>Application Shortcuts>All Applications>+>Menu Title (this has to be exact) Save As... (capital S and A and 3 fullstops)>Keyboard Shortcut (whatever you like) F6

     

    This works for anything that has the ability to "Save As"

  • by markinbali,

    markinbali markinbali Aug 15, 2012 8:29 AM in response to Steve Maximus
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    Aug 15, 2012 8:29 AM in response to Steve Maximus

    Ha ha yes weird, scarey even. What if one of us turned out to be Koenig in disguise? I might have to block your visa! Sanur is the best place to stay by the way. Have you found Rimo Plaza yet?

     

    I'm still using Preview - even with the duplicate/save routine slowing it down, it is still the quickest way to do what I want to do.

     

    Cheers

    Mark

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus Aug 15, 2012 8:51 AM in response to markinbali
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    Aug 15, 2012 8:51 AM in response to markinbali

    Haaaa. Funniest thing ever. "No Luke, I am your Koenig!" Sorry my French is not good enough, my potting skills non existent and my arrogance are not big enough to be the great man himself. I'm just a simple writer and traveler. I might be back in Bali in a month's time. I spent a lot of time on Lembongan so I know Sanur. Maybe we can meet up then?

  • by markinbali,

    markinbali markinbali Aug 15, 2012 9:53 PM in response to Steve Maximus
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    Aug 15, 2012 9:53 PM in response to Steve Maximus

    Très Drôle. Á bientôt.

     

    Mark

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus Aug 16, 2012 9:11 AM in response to markinbali
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    Aug 16, 2012 9:11 AM in response to markinbali

    Classic. Enjoy the sunrise and the morning price. We in Kuta have the sunset and the evening price. You know what I mean. I checked on Yvan and he's been off this forum for 3 months. I guess Apple had a word to him?

  • by Steve Maximus,

    Steve Maximus Steve Maximus Aug 16, 2012 9:14 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Aug 16, 2012 9:14 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt, Live Quartz looks interesting. Thank you. Hopefully in Mountain Snow Lion they will fix the whole fiasco...

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Aug 16, 2012 10:40 AM in response to Steve Maximus
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    Aug 16, 2012 10:40 AM in response to Steve Maximus

    I checked on Yvan and he's been off this forum for 3 months. I guess Apple had a word to him?

    The hosts will never say what actions they take with any user, but I think he may have gotten himself banned. You'll note tonza is no longer around, either.

    Kurt, Live Quartz looks interesting. Thank you. Hopefully in Mountain Snow Lion they will fix the whole fiasco...

    I posted only some free ones I tried. If you'd like to look through shareware and commercial stuff, try this list.

     

    I would hope it's a bug, but it isn't really fixed at this time. With TextEdit in ML, if you turn on the option in the System Preferences to always ask if changes should be saved, it only works when you first create a document. When you close the file, it asks. You say no, and when you relaunch TextEdit, it's blank as you would expect.

     

    Problem. Now create any text file with any ol' thing you want to type in it. Save the file and close. Reopen the file, make some changes and do a Save As to a new name and close both files. Even with the system prefs on to ask before saving a file with changes, your original will be identical to the Save As file. The changes were saved to the original without asking.

  • by RonL,

    RonL RonL Aug 16, 2012 11:32 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Aug 16, 2012 11:32 AM in response to Kurt Lang
    The hosts will never say what actions they take with any user, but I think he may have gotten himself banned.

     

     

    I figure this thread is about to be deleted.

     

    I started a thread once, around a decade ago, and it had more posts than any other discussion on the Apple forums (at least any that had not been deleted at the time).

     

    However... after a huge number of pages it disappeared. So I started the same thread again, thinking it had been an accident that it had disappeared (how niave)... and it again started getting a lot of posts.

     

    But when it too disappeared (a search for it came up empty again as had the previous search for the original thread) I realized something was not right.

     

    Shortly afterwards I was contacted not to restart the thread or I could face being banned from the Apple forums.

     

    So it wouldn't surprise me if others have been banned for complaining too much... even when they haven't used any bad language, etc.

     

    It's one of the reasons I rarely post to this forum anymore.

  • by elol,

    elol elol Aug 16, 2012 12:06 PM in response to RonL
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    Aug 16, 2012 12:06 PM in response to RonL

    Hi: 

     

    follow this thread...

     

    http://forum.cultofmac.com/search?Search=save+as

     

    cheers elo

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