Q: What happened to Save As?

Hello JCSheepdog,

the problem (to me) is not the newly duplicated/saved as file.

The huge issue here is the original file that should NOT be saved until I say so.

Imagine you open the file, work on it, save it with another name.

With the good old Save As the original file is not touched.

With the new Duplicate, Autosave and Version crap the old file is saved with the changes you only wanted to have in the new one. Unless you lock the file before changing and duplicating it, but then it is a useless workflow complication...

As I already said, I removed all the applications supporting Autosave/Versions (including TextEdit and Preview) even if I'm still using Snow Leopard to get used to decent software only.

Cheers

S

Hardly a mac apologist, since I go back to the early '80's when DOS 6.2 on 5 1/4 floppys was hot news, and over the years more of a critic until I finally came to a MacBook pro for photraphy and non work use. I somehow manage to fly high level autocad, a bunch of FEA stuff and some pretty specialised NURBS modelling and ship stability stuff, so I cannot claim to be a complete idiot.

If I can solve my limited document control problems with "duplicate," that is a solution, be it a blasphemous one within the iGod temple. If others have other problems with "saveas" they will I am sure keep hunting down their own solution.

I promise not to bore you here with my issues about "Strand" and "Rhino."

Mutant or not, it is still a duck, Cheers,

JCSheepdog wrote:

 

Hardly a mac apologist, since I go back to the early '80's when DOS 6.2 on 5 1/4 floppys was hot news, and over the years more of a critic until I finally came to a MacBook pro for photraphy and non work use. I somehow manage to fly high level autocad, a bunch of FEA stuff and some pretty specialised NURBS modelling and ship stability stuff, so I cannot claim to be a complete idiot.

OK, you're not a complete idiot...you're just rather full of yourself. Actually, you proved that with the tenor of your very first post ("Look, it's not that hard..."; "Even I can do it," etc.).

We didn't ask to be impressed with your credentials. The topic of this thread is the loss of Save As...something you've proven you know nothing about.

It would have been nice if you would have simply acknoweldged this once it had been proven — rather than imagining that dazzling us with your arcane knowledge of other subjects would work in its stead.

I promise not to bore you here...

Too late.

I am sorry, I mistakenly presumed that this forum was about getting help. I now understand that it is a sparring ground for people who spend far too much time in their basements.

You might, while doing whatever it is you do down there, take a minute to read your own etiquette guidelines.

Cheers

Typo corrected

Can anyone say... troll?

No other reason to be here. Everything Apple does is absolute perfection. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

JCSheepdog wrote:

 

I am sorry, I mistakenly presumed that this forum was about getting help. I now understand that it is a sparring ground for people who spend far too much time in their basements.

 

You might, while doing whatever it is you do down there, take a minute to read your own etiquette guidelines.

LOL! The guy who makes his first entrance into this thread by saying "Look, it's not that hard"...then continues with a very condescending tone to inform us that Duplicate is exactly the same as Save As (proving, as noted, that he has absolutely NO idea what he's talking about)...wants to lecture US about etiquette!

If you want "help," you might start by losing your air of superiority, and then you might find a nicer way to ask. And while you're at it, you might actually acknowledge your errors of both fact and attitude instead of ignoring them and hoping we won't notice. Until you do that, there's no way you'll be taken seriously here.

Nice try, by the way, with the "basement" comment. Beyond lame, but nice try.

This forum is about getting help resolving the issue of Save-As being replaced by the similar but not identical or better Duplicate, and then returning in an alternate form in Mountain Lion. Please read the carefully worded responses as to why Duplicate is not Save-As and why Duplicate has caused people to lose work. If your solution is "get over it" then please contact a user called Yvan Koneig about how your solution is the best solution in the world. He will love that.

Steve,

Thank you for the response. And thank you for the first calm and sensible response. Frankly I had no idea the minefield that this involved. Initially, like many immmigrants from MS baffled by the lack of a saveas, I read the posts, which dealt with the issue at a far more complex level than my concern. I then tried duplicate, it worked for my needs, which I suspect are limited compared to others, and I was pleased to have solved at least my own problem. Nor has it caused work to be lost, however your comment is well taken. My solution was never "get over it" but rather to express surprise that there appeared to be a deeper problem. Nor do I, or did I, claim it to be the best solution in the world, or any place other than appearing to answer my immediate problem.

From there on the responses rapidly degenerated to the puerile. I work in an isolated and non English speaking part of the Philippines and I participate in professional and special interest forums. They are my major contact means to the rest of the world.

Out of quite a long list, this is the only forum where I have seen this kind of childish lack of basic manners, and for it to be under the Apple logo and branding is not, I am sure, what Apple has in mind for their official help forum.

Yours respectfully,

John C

Typos corrected

JCSheepdog wrote:

 

Steve,

Thank you for the response. And thank you for the first calm and sensible response.

Wow, you still don't get it, do you?

Had your initial foray into this forum been "calm and sensible" (as opposed to arrogant and condescending), you would have found many people more than willing to help...myself included. Instead, you mocked those who (in your mind only) didn't "understand" Duplicate and sought to sarcastically "explain" it to us as if we were a bunch of dolts.

It takes a substantial amount of hubris, as a new Mac user, to assume this position. You got called on it, and now you want to make this someone else's fault besides your own.

Frankly I had no idea the minefield that this involved.

EXACTLY...you had no idea. When you speak knowingly and condescendingly from a position of complete ignorance, don't be surprised when you get some pushback. Your ignorance might have been alleviated if you had bothered to more carefully and patiently read some of the previous posts.

Initially, like many immmigrants from MS baffled by the lack of a saveas, I read the posts, which dealt with the issue at a far more complex level than my concern. I then tried duplicate, it worked for my needs, which I suspect are limited compared to others...

Hence my initial response to you...others' needs are not necessarily the same as yours. As your initial post makes clear, you assumed otherwise.

From there on the responses rapidly degenerated to the puerile.

If you're seeking the reasons behind this, look in the mirror.

Out of quite a long list, this is the only forum where I have seen this kind of childish lack of basic manners...

Mama apparently never taught you that manners is a two-way street.

Yours respectfully

It would appear you've added a new word to your vocabulary.

DChord568... you gave an excellent response to Sheepdog.

I'll simply add that for Sheepdog to jump in to a 50+ page thread with 'THE ANSWER'' in one post, for ALL of us, shows an _incredible_ degree of arrogance.

This is typical of posters that are trolls... which is why I characterized SD as such.

There are issues that even a newbie should realize that a 50+ page thread are dealing with that one answer would not resolve and that it does not require a technician to realize this.

For you Sheepdog to think that our responses were "childish" again shows your arrogance.

At worst our responses might have been characterized as over reacting to your ignorance of the problem while your thinking... 'How dumb are these Mac users that they can't figure this out?'

But then I rather doubt that, as DChord568 has stated, that you would 'get it' no matter how balanced our reponses would have been since you obviously thought you could solve all of our concerns with one post.

I would like to help this thread get to 60 pages.

I am totally disgusted by ML.  What a load of rubbish.  No easy way to do a find-by-file-name search, ie. we have lost command-shift-F.  And now this autosave/versions nonsense.  I am sticking with SL but the tragedy is that my new Air does not support it.

On the Air, L and ML are just a waste of a good piece of hardware.

No search by file name or command-shift-f? You've got to be kidding. Why on earth did they remove that??

IOS does not really have files therefore no filenames as you know it today..     scary.....

that is what I believe.

secondly if you search for a file on osx how will it handle the multitude of versions, the cloud and the ones on your other computers. etc.???

cheers elo

Donnie Ashworth wrote:

 

No search by file name or command-shift-f? You've got to be kidding. Why on earth did they remove that??

I can't in my wildest dreams imagine why. If I know that I have a file somewhere with a specific word or words in the file name, then why on earth would I want to be presented with a list of every freaking file on my computer that happens to have that word in its contents? Then I have to scroll down this monster list to find the one file I'm looking for.

I thought the Apple experience was supposed to make it easy and quick for the user. What's easier and quicker, finding one file among 10 or so, or one file among 300?

Another Mountain Lion gripe: you no longer get feedback in the form of the spinning gear wheel when Mail is bringing in new mail. You have to guess when all of your new mail has finally arrived.

To try to keep this marginally on-topic, what I really would love to do is to get the Apple design team in a room and have them expain, in their own words, exactly WHY decisions such as these (and of course, the loss of Save As) were made.

Seriously, I want them to say out loud "Well, our thinking was that…."