Q: What happened to Save As?

What happened to Save-As? It died with Steve Jobs. As did all the Apple care for the customer over profits.

>What happened to Save-As? It died with Steve Jobs.

>As did all the Apple care for the customer over profits.

Well may the future is not that dark, although there are omnious signs of course.

We as Apple/ Mac consumers should not resign to the state of affairs, but instead

tell the big guys how we want / need to work with the OS,

with the option of a true Save-As, and

to be able to opt out of the AutoSave - Versions- labyrint, if we choose!

/ Omar KN

This thread turns out to be an argumentative thread of (possibly?) some expert programmers.

There is no direct help here for a user.

It appears Apple has deliberately removed the "Save As" choice.

There may be a simple work around.

That work around may be burried somewhere in this long, long, thread.

My suggestion to a user is look elswhere.

Ted -1 wrote:

 

It appears Apple has deliberately removed the "Save As" choice.

Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. Your razor-sharp insight is much appreciated.

There may be a simple work around.

 

That work around may be burried somewhere in this long, long, thread.

 

 

My suggestion to a user is look elswhere.

If you had bothered to actually look at just a few representative samples from this "long, long thread," you would have found that there IS no "simple work around" for the loss of Save As.

Um, that's why we're still here talking about it. Why would we be doing this otherwise?

My suggestion is that you go "elswhere" and favor the fortunate souls in some other thread with your pearls of wisdom.

Ted-1.

The simple solution is this.

1. Save the document you are in.

2. Duplicate the document.

3. Navigate to the folder you had the original document in.

4. Save the duplicated document with the new file name, deleting the "copy 1" added to the original file name.

5. Select the original document.

6. Locate the versions menu using the tiny arrow at the top next to the name.

7. Select Browse All Versions.

8. Wait for the Star Wars floating stars background to appear.

9. Select the file image on the right side.

10. Navgate back in time by scolling, arrows or moving your cursor to the tiny time bars on the right edge.

11. Determine from this one tiny page at a time view which was the version when you opened the document.

12. Select that version of the document.

13. Close the original document.

You will now have achieved the same outcome as the old Save-As would have achieved. If you are on Mountain Lion then you have the Save-As function and you have to use that for steps 1-4 then you can start at step 5 here to create what Save-As used to do. I hope this helps you. If not there is another work around offered by user Yvan Koenig which is called the "get over it" solution. I am sure he will love to explain it to you.

Steve.

Steve,

Thank You!

I will follow your suggestions, until I figure out a new behavior for this type of file naming.

The 'Save As' use has been ingrained into my regular computer use in the past.  It's loss wil require me to learn some new skills.

I can appreciate the "get over it" solution.  It may come from frustration.  Certainly the desire to help may have been drummed out of some individuals.  We've all been there.

In any case, thanks again for the numbered list of actions.

Ted.

I think that Apple should get over it and give us back what we want. But that is just me being negative. Good luck with your 13 steps compared to 3 for Save-As. You can always buy a PC, use Snow Leopard or kidnap Tim Cook and blackmail Apple into fixing Save-As or you won't give him back. Actually they might tell you to just keep him. (Just a joke ok).

Steve is obviously a better man than I. If your entry into this thread had come with a bit less attitude, I might have had a "desire to help" too.

In any case, a 13-step routine for something that used to take two steps doesn't exactly fit the definition of a "simple solution." That's why we're still here, and still not in the best of moods.

I've used the Mac OS exclusively since 1988 and have shouted its praises to the heavens for just as long. I find myself now in the very unusual and uncomfortable position of being really P.O.-ed at the platform I love and rely upon in both my work and my personal life.

As I noted in an earlier post, the loss of Save As is the principal reason...but there are others as well.

DChord568, I think I have a darker sense of humor, and maybe my criticism was more subtle. Which makes me being thanked for it a bit more funny. I advised someone else to chat to YK and they also thanked me not really understanding that this was criticism. Anyway I admire his desire to engage in the 13 steps. I'm thinking of not buying an Air and getting an old 27 inch iMac to run Snow Leopard. I have just had enough of opening Pages documents, looking at them, closing them and Lion asking me if I want to save them, when I changed nothing. Perhaps this is because I refused to upgrade iWorks (Pages and Numbers) and still run them with Save-As and no Versions by not upgrading. Maybe that is the Apple way to punish me for not upgrading (downgrading) them. Anyway, Apple in 10 years time will be going into a second bankruptcy if they don't change their ways. Just like they did the last time Steve Jobs left. Sad but true.

To Steve and DChord568,

   I re-read my post and DHord568, I did find the 'attitude' you noticed.  Thanks to Steve for the steps and DCHord568 for the attitude adjustment.

It seems my frustration with this is not limited to just me. (<-slight sarcasm).

I don't use the computer every day to produce work.  Mostly email and surfing.

However, when I do need to do work I will spend hours and days on a single task.  Usually this involves creating complex documents that I must share with others.  The old "Save As" allowed me to uniquely label a 'version' of the work in progress.  I can, at any point during this work, easily find and coordinate my work with others.

I am not stating anything new here, obviously. I'm just realizing that my frustration stems from having to learn some new method just to get work done that previously was quite simple.

I completely agree that this now sets the Mac OS as being harder to use than the MS products.  Jeez, that doesn't happen hardly ever!  But, it is true here for this "Save As" issue.

Maybe MS will, once again, copy Mac and we'll all be in trouble.

:-)

Ted

I can, at any point during this work, easily find and coordinate my work with others.

Yes, exactly! It's extremely difficult to fathom what Apple doesn't understand about the loss of this very vital function.

Maybe MS will, once again, copy Mac and we'll all be in trouble.

That also appears to be unfortunately true. Not to be left behind on the "let's make every piece of software we write look like a tablet" mentality, I very recently read that MS is removing the ability to bypass the ugly-as-sin Metro interface. Older public beta releases let you switch back to the standard type of desktop in Windows 8, but now it looks like they're going to remove that option in Win 8 and force eveyone to use the unbelievably stupid Metro desktop.

Hi guys.

One little thing that helps a little bit.  If there is one document that you like to start with, edit and Save As another document, there is one thing that helps for just this circumstance and it is limited.  It is not a total workaround or fix or anything like that.

Go to the finder and copy the document that you like (Pages or Numbers).  Now click on the Copy.  Rename it what ever you like, but give it the "template" extension (Numbers is nmbtemplate and Pages is template).  Now, each time you open the "template" it gives you a fresh document to start with and does not change your template (you also have your original that you copied from for a backup).

Yes, it only works for the times that you are starting from the same saved template, but in some instances it helps.  It's not a fix.

And, I for one still want SAVE AS back in it's original functioning capability!!  I also want the option to (toggle) turn off Versions and AutoSave!!  Maybe not everybody wants to toggle off, but those of us that do should be able to!

Keep sending Feedback to Apple for Numbers and Pages, etc!!

Good idea, Linda.

What I've taken to doing with most of my Numbers or Pages files is just immediately duplicating the thing as soon as I open it and then close the original. Then I can do what I want with the duplicate (or trash it, if I'm just experimenting) with the knowledge that the original is untouched.

What's bothering me as much as the loss of Save As functionality is the slowness that is brought about by all this versioning and auto-saving. There seems to always be a sluggishness.

Ted -1 wrote:

 

To Steve and DChord568,

 

   I re-read my post and DHord568, I did find the 'attitude' you noticed.  Thanks to Steve for the steps and DCHord568 for the attitude adjustment.

Thank you, Ted. I greatly admire someone who is willing to take responsibility for what he says and see it in a different light. You rarely run into that these days. I appreciate this.

It seems my frustration with this is not limited to just me. (<-slight sarcasm).

 

I don't use the computer every day to produce work.  Mostly email and surfing.

 

However, when I do need to do work I will spend hours and days on a single task.  Usually this involves creating complex documents that I must share with others.  The old "Save As" allowed me to uniquely label a 'version' of the work in progress.  I can, at any point during this work, easily find and coordinate my work with others.

 

I am not stating anything new here, obviously. I'm just realizing that my frustration stems from having to learn some new method just to get work done that previously was quite simple.

Yep, that's exactly where we've been coming from here since the inception of this thread and others like it.

I think the overriding issue here is one of control. In addition to the versioning use to which you put Save As, I use it most frequently to branch to a new document intended for another purpose. With Save As, I can base this new document on the old one, preserving some of its elements, altering others, and discarding still others altogether.

Crucially, I can make the decision to do this at any time. I don't have to know in advance that I'll want to do this (which is what those who tell you to "just duplicate the document in the Finder" before even beginning to work on it would have you do). I determine the exact moment at which I feel the old document has taken on enough new features to justify branching to a new one while preserving the old, and I act on the spot.

I know exactly what I'm doing. I don't need the old document still open and in my way. I don't want to have to navigate to another location to save the new document. Nine times out of ten I want to save it in the same folder as the original — which is the default under Save As but not under Duplicate.

In other words, *I* have control of my documents — just as I ought to have control over when they're saved or not saved. The new Autosave/Versioning/No Save As paradigm takes that away from me.

I get that for some, the new paradigm makes working on their Macs easier, and that's fine. I have said from Day One that this ought to be the default behavior of the newer operating systems. However, those of us who have found our work made more difficult by the new paradigm should be able to revert to the system that has served us beautifully for as many as 28+ years now.

Welcome to the thread, Ted. We're glad to have you here.

Yes, DChord - You are exactly right!  It is the control for those users that know what they are doing and what they want to do!

For those that want just another machine that runs like an iPhone or iPad or some other such touch-screen device without this CONTROL, that is fine for them.

Just give us the option to Toggle off the new Autosave/Versioning/No Save As paradigm!!

Like you said, served us beautifully (Most, meaning the Majority!) for 28+ years!!