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Q: Lion Keeps Re-arranging my Folders

In Snow Leopard I used to make my folders simply snap to grid and I used to arrange them into an order that suited me.

 

In Lion when I do this, be it on the desktop, downloads folder or simply my user home, after a few times of accessing, the folders move randomly or get sorted by lion.

 

Any ideas why this is happeneing and how I can stop it from happening?

27, Mac OS X (10.7), 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 6:54 AM

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  • by Brett C,

    Brett C Brett C Sep 6, 2011 2:39 PM in response to Jyri Palm
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    Sep 6, 2011 2:39 PM in response to Jyri Palm

    at least in my case, they are definitely not being arranged alphabetically when they get messed up

     

    some icons don't move from their manually placed location

    some icons move completely off-grid, some partially overlapping other icons

    other icons are on-grid, but in wrong locations

    none of them, before or after, are in alphabetic or any other standard view-options order

    but when the problem occurs, exactly the same ones move to exactly the same place

  • by Adam Meath,

    Adam Meath Adam Meath Sep 6, 2011 11:32 PM in response to Brett C
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    Sep 6, 2011 11:32 PM in response to Brett C

    This bug is slowly driving me crazy! I've used Macs for 20 years and this has got to be the single most annoying interface glitch I've ever come across.

     

    I can't get a single customized folder view to stay put. Two to three times per day, at random it seems, all my customized views will re-set to list view with side bar showing, centered in the middle of the screen, adjusted to the same 'default' window size. I lose all my icon arrangements and background photos etc.

     

    I've tried re-installing Lion twice, and performing all kinds of cache emptying, .DS_Store deletions and restores, permissions fixes, setting the customized views for my folders within a root user account, ticking the "always use" setting manually for each and every folder. Nothing helps.

     

    All my time spent meticulously setting up all my folder views is just a complete and utter waste of time in Lion.

  • by iandack,

    iandack iandack Sep 7, 2011 1:02 AM in response to Adam Meath
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    Sep 7, 2011 1:02 AM in response to Adam Meath

    Exactly what I've been experiencing, and you're right - no amount of workarounds and fixes are solving it. It is very disheartening that Apple seems to be disregarding such a major bug in their software. Yes, Lion does all sorts of fancy stuff now, but if it can't even get the basics of a graphics orientated environment correct, then I don't want to use it anymore.

  • by paulimausi,

    paulimausi paulimausi Sep 8, 2011 5:23 AM in response to Brett C
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    Sep 8, 2011 5:23 AM in response to Brett C

    I have the impression that the Finder simply does not save any changes to icon positions. So after a certain time the arrangement is reverted to some old state that is basically never changed.

     

    I am also experiencing problems with Mail settings that are not saved or are reverted after restarting Mail. I am beginning to think that both symptoms are part of a global problem (a not only Finder-related problem). Maybe this is related to the new file saving mechanisms (Autosave, Versions).

  • by Hen3ry,

    Hen3ry Hen3ry Sep 8, 2011 5:12 PM in response to Cheese21Cheese
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    Sep 8, 2011 5:12 PM in response to Cheese21Cheese

    I keep Finder View Options open at all times. 

     

    Observing a few folders containing icons I arranged before installing 10.7 which have remained relatively stable, I feel like I may be seeing a correlation:  For those folders, "Open in Icon View" and "Browse in Icon View" are unchecked, while "Arrange By" and "Sort By" are both set to "None".   I don't believe I've modified these since installing 10.7.  This suggests:  "don't fool with these settings, and the next time you open that folder your icons may be the way you left them".

     

    Or, I'm getting a bit crazy trying to analyze and work around this issue and I'm imagining patterns that aren't there.

  • by MaestroCreep3k,

    MaestroCreep3k MaestroCreep3k Sep 8, 2011 5:34 PM in response to Hen3ry
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    Sep 8, 2011 5:34 PM in response to Hen3ry

    hopefully Apple won't just completely ignore this issue like they did with the blurry/pixelated icon issue that was introduced with Snow Leopard

  • by billearl,

    billearl billearl Sep 8, 2011 6:21 PM in response to Hen3ry
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    Sep 8, 2011 6:21 PM in response to Hen3ry

    Hen3ry wrote:

     

    This suggests:  "don't fool with these settings, and the next time you open that folder your icons may be the way you left them".

    In my observations (or imaginings?) thus far, the same thought has occurred to me.

     

    In any case, Apple is aware of the issue, and it will almost definitely be fixed in 10.7.2.

  • by MaestroCreep3k,

    MaestroCreep3k MaestroCreep3k Sep 8, 2011 10:47 PM in response to billearl
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    Sep 8, 2011 10:47 PM in response to billearl
    In any case, Apple is aware of the issue, and it will almost definitely be fixed in 10.7.2.

     

    somehow I don't think that fixing this issue is among Apple's highest priorities in the upcoming 10.7.2 "upgrade" since everything seems to be focused around the release of iCloud and iTunes 10.5 ... I'll be surprised if they actually address this issue at all, imho ... I hate to be a negative nancy but sweeping things under the rug seems to be Apple's only policy these days

     

    I really hope I'm wrong, but I'll take any bets that it won't be fixed ... take a look at the amount of users that were affected by the blurry/pixelated icon issue throughout the entire lifespan of Snow Leopard and it was NEVER addressed by Apple

     

    as Apple has continued to dumb-down the user experience on OSX to match the near downs syndrome equated iOS they have introduced more bugs to OSX than a herd of unbathed water buffalos ... all in the name of "simplifying" the user experience ... dear apple, I'd like to have my computer back please!, you know, the one that "works for me" not the one that "I must work for" ... phew, stepping of the soapbox now

  • by iandack,

    iandack iandack Sep 9, 2011 1:58 AM in response to MaestroCreep3k
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    Sep 9, 2011 1:58 AM in response to MaestroCreep3k

    Preliminary reports regarding the 10.7.2 beta on other forums are saying that this issue hasn't been addressed. If that's true it will be a massive disappointment. Honestly, who cares about iCloud etc. when the Finder doesn't work?

     

    The new features are useless if the desktop itself is malfunctioning.

  • by Philippesan,

    Philippesan Philippesan Sep 9, 2011 6:29 AM in response to billearl
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    Sep 9, 2011 6:29 AM in response to billearl

    billearl wrote:

     

    In any case, Apple is aware of the issue, and it will almost definitely be fixed in 10.7.2.

    Don't be naive :

    - First it is not a priority for Apple (minor issue, few victims)

    - Second this is a deep OSX's contradiction, not a simple bug.

     

    Even if for us, here, it is the most annoying Lion's issue

  • by Cheese21Cheese,

    Cheese21Cheese Cheese21Cheese Sep 9, 2011 7:14 AM in response to Philippesan
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    Sep 9, 2011 7:14 AM in response to Philippesan

    Well, it looks like its back to Snow Leopard...

     

    Never gone backwards on a OS before. Theres a first time for everything I guess.

  • by Eddie Prior1,

    Eddie Prior1 Eddie Prior1 Sep 9, 2011 7:29 AM in response to Cheese21Cheese
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    Sep 9, 2011 7:29 AM in response to Cheese21Cheese

    I've already given up and gone back to Snow Leopard.

    I've written to Apple requesting my money back, as the product is faulty, but of course, no reply.

    I'm not holding my breath.

  • by iandack,

    iandack iandack Sep 9, 2011 9:32 AM in response to Eddie Prior1
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    Sep 9, 2011 9:32 AM in response to Eddie Prior1

    I'm not sure how viable it would be for me to go back to Snow Leopard, even though I want to, as I've paid such a lot to upgrade a bunch of apps and I'm afraid of losing my settings etc.

     

    This will teach me to adopt new technology.

     

    Come on Apple - please make my stuff stay where I put it!

  • by billearl,

    billearl billearl Sep 9, 2011 9:32 AM in response to iandack
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    Sep 9, 2011 9:32 AM in response to iandack

    iandack wrote:

     

    Honestly, who cares about iCloud etc. when the Finder doesn't work?

     

    The new features are useless if the desktop itself is malfunctioning.

    Precisely my point for believing Apple will address this soon. They have to.

  • by MaestroCreep3k,

    MaestroCreep3k MaestroCreep3k Sep 9, 2011 9:40 AM in response to billearl
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    Sep 9, 2011 9:40 AM in response to billearl

    not to be a p-rick ... but what proof do you have that Apple is even aware of this issue as you claimed? just curious

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