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  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    I wouldn't call it a bug -- it's a deliberate UI inclusion on Apple's part.  Being vocal with our displeasure, and giving lots of negative feedback, yes, certainly, is a good idea.

     

    I'd be satisfied if there was merely some hidden preference (activated by a terminal command) to turn this "rubber band" crap off.

  • Alex Zavatone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I own three "magic mice".  That's over $210 dollars of investment that gives me this terribly annoying property.

     

    This is one of the main irritations why I find Lion a complete waste of time and money for me.

     

    As a command key user, I find that gestures do not give me much of an advantage in navigating the GUI.  In fact, since certain gestures permiate the OS and can not be turned off on a per application basis, certain odd things happen since a gesture was mistakenly invoked. 

     

    I never want Safari to increase or decrease the text size once I have set it.  Mistaken pinches do this

    I do want to be able to zoom into an image with a pinch.

    I never want to pinch to resize the size of the icons on my desktop.

    In short, gestures cause me more problems than they are worth since I have command keys that can do the tasks well enough and without upexpected mysterious behaviour - you don't press a command key by accident, but on the magic mouse and trackpad, accidental gestures are all too common.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (46,515 points)

    Of course you do realize that posting your displeasure, negative feedback or ranting what ever you want to call it here on ASC forums is not getting Apple's attention. While Apple does monitor these forums for TOU violations, they do not monitor them for problems.

     

    A much better place where Apple will see is http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    Allan

  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Alex, I too hate Safari's tendency to zoom in (or out) due to mistaken pinches.  This "feature" was introduced with Snow Leopard, I believe.  Then I noticed, some recent version of Safari had stopped that behavior.  I see now with Lion and the latest version of Safari, it is back.  Very annoying.

     

    I can, however, recommend a workaround/fix I have found for this, in the form of BetterTouchTool: http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=1722

     

    This handy add-on lets you assign lots of multi-touch gestures to any app you want.  Or un-assign, if you will.  I set it so that "Pinch In" and "Pinch Out" do nothing in Safari, but work everywhere else.  BetterTouchTool is very powerful and configurable.  I also like its "Window Snapping" feature.

     

    I will also note that the pinch to zoom in/out on icons in the Finder was also removed in Lion, so there's no need to worry about that one any longer.

  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Allen, thanks for that link.  Please note that sometimes folks will post here merely to vent, and that's okay.  Also, some enjoy commiserating with others about issues that vex them.  Then there's also the chance that someone will read the posts and offer constructive advice (like I've tried to do above) to help ameliorate the problem.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (46,515 points)

    Well in fact that isn't OK to vent here. It is in fact a violation of the Terms Of Use that you agreed to when you joined these forums.

     

    The actual purpose for these forum is to provide technical assistance.

     

    If you are interested in socializing then join FaceBook instead.

     

    Allan

  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    How would I know to friend "Alex Zavatone" on Facebook, to find out he's got a problem with some multitouch gestures, so I can offer some technical assistance there?  That doesn't make much sense.

     

    There's such a fine line between "mentioning a tech problem" and "venting," isn't there?  No one's allowed to express annoyance by changes they don't embrace?  That seems rather counterproductive to me.

     

    Regardless, I'd hardly claim anyone's crossed the line here. 

     

    Heck, I'm just here, trying to help.  I've received help when mentioning issues that bother me, and I return the favor by doing the same for others.

     

    Alex, I hope you check out BetterTouchTool.  It has taken care at least one of my biggest gripes with Lion.

  • boyfromoz Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    I not even noticing this rubber band to you mention. is not even effecting work. i am not liking some of Lion but know it will keep geting better. this is only tiny thing. not annoying much. not many complaining like battery issue.

  • Alex Zavatone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ahh, thanks Fofer.  I will check that out.  I'd mark you answer as helpful, except that I'm currently not given that option.

     

    Oh, and Fofer, I never use Facebook.  The only reason I may even have an account there is some woman wanted to chat ala FB and I can't even remember which email address I used to log on.

     

    Since my name is rather unique, you can find it rather easily on LinkedIn if you really want to get in touch.  I'm also on the Xcode and AppleScript lists on a daily basis.

     

    Thanks man.

  • boyfromoz Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    haha is like dating site here. far away from question asked.

  • Alex Zavatone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Allan.  Why is my statement a rant?  It is rather frustrating to see no solution to this well past the 6 months ago that Lion was introduced, especially after paying a premium for 3 of Apple's input devices for all of my Macs.

     

    What I stated was the problem and provided back up information as to why the related scrolling issues are problematic and bad design.

     

    Simply put, I have had so many problems with Lion that there is no compelling reason for me to install it.  It is a vast departure from the OSX that we are used to and these changes do not increase my productivity, they decrease it and make using the Mac much more annoying.

     

    I've been using the Mac since 1985 and professionally since 1991.  Lion does not help me do my job better or easier.  Yes, I have reported my issues to Apple.  Yes, I have been on the phone with "people" at Apple who handle those things.  Yes, I was asked to join unnamed projects to help make Lion better. 

     

    Safari has also become dog slow across the board (it appears to be the JS intrepreter and recent architectural changes with sandboxing) and I'm more than happy to ditch it as it is becoming less useful and more "spinning technicolor pinwheel of death" and more "eat up all my memory on my 8 and 12 GB boxes" than I have ever seen.  Safari on my G5 used to be faster and friendlier.

     

    What shocked me is that Lion was so bug ridden (or wth poorly designed features) right out of the box.  As a professional, I do not have want pay to upgrade, find out it is a mess, then have to devote time to properly write up all these issues and report each and every one to Apple if I can not be guaranteed that they will be addressed.  I don't work for Apple.  I used to run beta programs (for Macromedia, remember Shockwave?) and I am well aware of the time it takes to report issues properly.  One of the programs I was fortunate to be part of was actualy what some of OS X was protyped in.  I don't expect Apple to take the time to address one user's concerns, but I remember when using a Mac used to be fun.  That's why I stick with Snow Leopard.  If Lion issues are addressed in a time efficient manner, then I'll be happy when I'm finally forced to switch to it. 

  • boyfromoz Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    Alex Zavatone wrote:

     

     

     

    Simply put, I have had so many problems with Lion that there is no compelling reason for me to install it.  It is a vast departure from the OSX that we are used to and these changes do not increase my productivity, they decrease it and make using the Mac much more annoying.

     

     

    Safari has also become dog slow across the board (it appears to be the JS intrepreter and recent architectural changes with sandboxing) and I'm more than happy to ditch it as it is becoming less useful and more "spinning technicolor pinwheel of death" and more "eat up all my memory on my 8 and 12 GB boxes" than I have ever seen.  Safari on my G5 used to be faster and friendlier.

     

    must have got bad download or computer probems no such here with Lion. much faster and Safari much improve. much faster and stable. G5 probably just not handle new stuff for intel maybe. just do stay on snow if happier. easy.

  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    "G5? " No, the last Mac OS that could run on a G5 was Leopard.  Snow Leopard, it's successor, was the first to require an Intel chip.

     

    Many UI elements changed in Lion.  Apple has decided to try and make it more like iOS, and many of this new "flourish" takes its toll on our computers, and our patience.

     

    http://www.macstories.net/stories/the-ios-ification-of-apples-ecosystem/

  • boyfromoz Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    I think he say Safari on G5. Everybody no that snow leopard start of ppc dropped by Apple.

     

    Thank you

  • Fofer Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    He was comparing how much better/faster/friendlier Safari felt to him, on a G5 running Leopard.  That Lion feels slower to many is not a new complaint.

     

    I do agree that Lion is a good OS overall -- but I'll admit it took me awhile to tame the beast.  I banished "LaunchPad" (gosh that's an abomination) and I'm installed a few tweaks to make things work better for me (the aforementioned BetterTouchTool, RestoreMeNot, and a few others.)  I also installed an SSD as my laptop's boot drive.  All of these tweaks helped.  I am now a happy Lion user.  I just wish Apple wouldn't insist on this iOS-ification.  Things that work for a touchscreen tablet don't necessarily work for a desktop/laptop computer paradigm.

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