Convert Photos to CMYK?

Hi All!


I am trying to wean myself off Photoshop, for a variety of reasons. I find I can do the basic image editing that I need to do in Preview or iPhoto. But I need to convert images to CMYK. So far, I haven't been able to find an Apple application that will let me do this.


Perhaps I am missing something obvious.


Any thoughts?


Thanks,


Greg

iBookG4 1.42, Mac OS X (10.4.10), eMac 1.25, iMac Graphite, iBook G3, etc.

Posted on Jul 30, 2011 9:42 AM

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Jul 30, 2011 4:21 PM in response to GregHankins

It tends to be used by folks engaged in the old-fashioned process of applying ink to paper but not for much else.

You do realize that every printer you buy uses CMYK to print whatever you send from the computer, right? Many have extra colors (6 and more inks total), usually to boost reds and blues that can't be reached with straight CMYK. But otherwise, they all have at least those four basic colors. You can't print RGB.


Using ColorSync or Graphic Converter is an extremely poor way to convert RGB to the CMYK color space. For instance, the Generic CMYK profile supplied with OS X is probably the worst CMKY profile in the world. Very flat and ugly conversions.


ColorSync also doesn't actually convert images to CMYK. You can open a file and apply a CMYK profile. But when you save the file, it's still RGB.


There's also your target device to consider. The color of any printed image is subject to the inks and paper you're using. Using the same printer, uncoated papers will always be dull compared to coated. Gloss will always be more vibrant than satin. Just as RGB is specific to your monitor profile, CMYK is specific to the output device, whether it's a cheap printer for your computer, or a 40" commercial press. You need to have profiles that are built to match the characteristics of that device, on the paper being used, in order to have any hope that the CMYK image you're viewing on your monitor will look anything like that on press, or from your desktop printer.


Stick with Photoshop. Even the basic CMYK spaces it provides, like U. S. Sheetfed Coated v2 (which you wouldn't have to use without ever having purchased Photoshop), is better than nothing. I don't have, or use Graphic Converter, so I don't know how that works as far as converting.

Jul 30, 2011 10:49 AM in response to GregHankins

Sorry, but I have never heard of a CMYK image format - usually it's TIFF, jpeg, pdf, etc. I believe the CMYK refers to the color? Aside from that, you might want to look into Graphic Converter which has a multitude of editing options (as well as being able to convert to/from many formats). FWIW, there is no CMYK format listed there either. I believe your image formats are something like .psd in Photoshop? Graphic Converter will happily convert that to whatever you want.

Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM in response to babowa

Hey Babowa!


Thanks for your reply. Yes indeed, CMYK is, like RGB, a "color space," as opposed to a file format. It tends to be used by folks engaged in the old-fashioned process of applying ink to paper but not for much else.


I am in fact testing Graphic Converter, which sems quite nice. (You'll find CMYK in the Picture menu under Mode.)


However, I was trying to determine if any Apple program would allow me to convert to the CMYK Color Space, since the adjustment tools in Preview, for example, allow me to do 90% of what I need to do to images. But, in order to get those images inked onto paper by my printing company, I must convert them to CMYK.


Thanks again for your reply.


Greg

Jul 30, 2011 1:03 PM in response to Linc Davis

Hey Linc!


I thought that it should be possible to use the Colorsync Utility to make the conversion, but had trouble figuring out how to do it. Once I read your reply, I went back for a second look and found some buttons at the bottom of the photo viewer window that allow the conversion to CMYK (or a variety of other color spaces).


Thanks for the tip! This gets me one step closer to avoiding an upgrade to Photoshop in order to upgrade to Lion.


Thanks!


Greg

Jul 30, 2011 5:17 PM in response to Linc Davis

Actually, I consider it to be one of the best Mac applications ever developed, which is a lot more than I'd say about any Adobe product.

I did have a registered version of Graphic Converter at one time. Played with it for a while and found it fairly useless. There wasn't anything in it I couldn't do in Photoshop.


It's a great app for how inexpensive it is, but can't hold a candle to what I can do in PS.

Jul 30, 2011 8:10 PM in response to Kurt Lang

Hi Kurt & Linc,


Interesting conversation. A few thoughts:


The device to which I am printing is a late-1990s KBM newspaper press. Actually, I'm sending PDFs to the prepress department, which is running them through a rip to create plates. While it's likely the case that there are brand-spanking new versions of these that can handle RGB, newspapers usually buy really expensive equipment and keep it for a very long time. So I do, in fact, have to have CMYK files. RGB just won't do.


Kurt, it is true that Colorsync will allow you to apply a color profile to a file, and that won't change it from RGB to CMYK. But the Colorsync Utility version 4.6.2 in my Snow Leopard installation has a function called "Match to Profile," and that function will actually convert the file to CMYK. Once you've done that, however, it seems to be best to save the file as a tiff. The CMYK jpegs are not a pretty sight, in my experience.


I'm not sure about the CMYK options that you have available in Colorsync, but I have the same options in Colorsync that I have in Photoshop and Acrobat. I'm not sure whether those profiles are gifts from Apple or Adobe, but they are available in Colorsync on my Mac.


I've only played with Graphic Converter for a couple of hours. It seems to be a very decent, extremely inexpensive image editor that has a lot of the basic Photoshop functions. The basic Photoshop functions are generally all I need. If you build complex graphics in Photoshop, you probably need Photoshop. If all you need to do is lighten up a few photos so they don't plug on a newspaper press, Graphic Converter would appear to cost a lot less cash.


Thanks for the input!


Greg

Jul 31, 2011 8:13 AM in response to GregHankins

Hello Greg,

While it's likely the case that there are brand-spanking new versions of these that can handle RGB, newspapers usually buy really expensive equipment and keep it for a very long time. So I do, in fact, have to have CMYK files. RGB just won't do.

While you can send RGB files to a print or prepress shop, you're then at the mercy of whatever automated conversion to CMYK is built into the RIP. Though a better shop will flag RGB images in preflight and convert them at extra cost to you. Doing it ahead of the RIP allows them to have better control over the conversion.

Snow Leopard installation has a function called "Match to Profile," and that function will actually convert the file to CMYK.

There it is! I had tried ColorSync before posting above so I wasn't just saying, "It doesn't work". I had tried the first two choices in the far left drop down menu and didn't bother with the third as I figured it wouldn't do anything different. Wrong again. 😊

I'm not sure about the CMYK options that you have available in Colorsync, but I have the same options in Colorsync that I have in Photoshop and Acrobat. I'm not sure whether those profiles are gifts from Apple or Adobe, but they are available in Colorsync on my Mac.

Most of the better canned CMYK profiles are from Photoshop. Otherwise, you wouldn't have anything to pick from that anyone in printing would tell you was okay to use. ColorSync can see them, as any other ColorSync aware program can, because they are all in the global /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/ folder. Some not directly in that folder, but aliases to where they are.

It seems to be a very decent, extremely inexpensive image editor that has a lot of the basic Photoshop functions. The basic Photoshop functions are generally all I need.

For those who only need, or want basic manipulation, Graphic Converter is nice. As is Acorn and a few other simple raster editors. Photoshop Elements is also very good at less than a sixth of the price of Photoshop. It just can't work in CMYK. But as long as you're satisfied with the RGB to CMYK translations Graphic Converter or ColorSync do to get you to your final image to send out, then it doesn't matter that PSE can't do CMYK itself.

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