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fluffy Author

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Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?

I've been a pretty happy Logic user since 2004, but lately version 9 has been really cheezing me off. It seems that whenever I'm playing my current project, the user interface becomes completely unresponsive to key commands and mouse clicks, which will be delayed for many seconds, or ignored entirely.

This is a fresh install of Logic Pro 9.1.4, 32-bit, on one of the new Mac minis (dual 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, stock 500GB hard drive), with a PreSonus FireStudio Project. However, this was also happening on my previous system, a 2008 15" unibody MacBook Pro. It was happening a little bit on Snow Leopard but it's gotten much worse under Lion. My MacBook had aftermarket RAM (8GB) and an aftermarket SSD, but everything in the Mini is stock.

It's happening even if I only have one or two tracks, although it seems to be worse if I have any of the various metering plugins running and open, or ChanEQ with the analyzer turned on. I wonder if maybe those plugins aren't handling UI updates correctly, or something.

Just to be clear, I have absolutely no third-party AudioUnits installed, and it's neither a CPU nor an I/O issue (both gauges are pretty much empty, and Activity Monitor shows Logic as taking about 10% of one CPU), and yet it takes anywhere from 3-10 seconds for a simple mouse click to go through.

This is getting EXTREMELY frustrating, especially since the lag seems to always happen at the worst moments (i.e. I'm trying to turn down the volume on a track which suddenly got really loud, and the lack of responsiveness means my ears get blasted and I have to take a break for them to recover before I can start mixing again).

Has anyone else been experiencing this and found a workaround? Is anyone at Apple even paying attention to these issues? I feel like it's the same problem that was being discussed in this thread, which was never resolved: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2396951

Message was edited by: robert113

Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7), 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD

Posted on Jul 30, 2011 7:31 PM

516 replies

ph47

Level 1

14 points

Mar 30, 2012 9:12 AM in response to SmokenSound

Yeah. I figured a rollback to 10.6.8 would be the trick. I've really had not much but headaches w/ Lion, and not only with the pro-apps and music stuff, but email, iCloud, the whole thing. Not good.

I'm considering a rollback as well, but that seems like a monumental task at this point. How easy was it to do w/ Time Machine? How long did it take?

Pancenter

Level 6

14,692 points

Mar 30, 2012 11:01 AM in response to ph47

LION = Windows Vista

Mar 30, 2012 11:20 AM in response to ph47

Not so long as you think) I got SSD with system + optibay HDD for projects and librarys so I did backup w/ Lion's Time machine, but only System SSD ~70GB. Then format SSD and clean install Snow Leo (you must name your HD the same as before, and enter acc and name as same before !!! Another way you will be messing with premission and privileges on Time Machine backup files.)

Then you just manually get all your docs, apps and apps files (~system hd/library or ~users/username/library) from time machine backup folder.

~ 3 hours and you got clean system and all your stuff working perfectly!

Anyway if something goes wrong, you always have your Lion's TM backup.

BTW

My mbp working temp in Lion ~80 C* with no hard load , in Snow leo ~65 C* =)

Mar 30, 2012 11:29 AM in response to fluffy

I responded earlier to this post. I upgraded my video card in my Mac Pro (it originally only had 256 megabytes) and everything has been running flawlessly in Lion. I'm a mixing and mastering engineer and use this system at least 10 hours a day. I've even switched to 64 bit and --at the moment-- I couldnt be happier. The problem absolutely has to do with graphics performance. It was a 100% fix when I sawpped the card. Hopefully Apple will do some testing on their own, and figure out a solution for Logic users without upgradable systems like mac Minis and Mac Book Pros.

Pancenter

Level 6

14,692 points

Mar 30, 2012 12:33 PM in response to Darren Burgos

Darren, All..

This problem is definitely not Logic, it is system wide over a number of apps. A tech has mentioned that it may have something to do with the firmware of a particular machine. So far... it's been noticed most on recent iMacs, MBPs and Minis. What's odd is, older laptops are running the heavy duty Pro Apps just fine yet a new i7 MBP is choking.

hypnotik

Level 1

0 points

Apr 2, 2012 1:17 AM in response to Pancenter

Hi All,

Here is another topic created by myself on logicprohelp.

http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=78028

Hope Apple is reading us right now....

I've also tried to install 10.7.4 beta but no way the same problem occurs. I'm tired of testing, debugging, troubleshooting, Apple do your job please. Now i've rolled back to SL, everything is smoother....

BTW good to know i'm not alone...

Cheers

PS : I've upgraded my nvidia video card to an ATI which cost me almost 500$ without any enhancement in Logic

My system

Mac Pro Nehalem 2009 2x2,26 / 16gb

hypnotik

Level 1

0 points

Apr 8, 2012 9:01 AM in response to hypnotik

BUMP

Apr 8, 2012 10:55 AM in response to hypnotik

Also i got that windows "cmnd + s" habbit lately, because of logic "stability". That's just sad guys.

hypnotik

Level 1

0 points

Apr 14, 2012 2:46 AM in response to SmokenSound

New feedbacks ? Anyone?

Apr 17, 2012 10:41 PM in response to fluffy

I had a similar issue that I just resolved. Turned out I had some files being used off the network and that was causing Logic to respond very sluggisly to commands. Consolidating the project fixed the issue..

SimonB76

Level 1

0 points

May 11, 2012 3:50 PM in response to Rohail Hyatt

Has anyone tried upgrading their systems to 10.7.4 to see if Apple's latest update makes any difference? I was on 10.7.3 but downgraded back to 10.6.8 because of the problems with laggy.

May 11, 2012 4:49 PM in response to hypnotik

FWIW, I just downloaded Logic 9 from the App Store and am running it on a 13" i5 Macbook Air with 4GB RAM and 256GB SSD under MacOSX 10.7.3. I find the program very responsive, and am seeing low latency when recording live audio on two tracks. Have not attempted anything complex since I've only spent a couple hours playing around and learning the software (I'm a new user).

Perhaps one difference in my case is that my MacBook Air is only a couple months old and came preloaded with 10.7.

fluffy Author

Level 1

69 points

May 11, 2012 5:28 PM in response to Boyd Ostroff

Or maybe you haven't run into the issue that's causing the problems. The common situation seems to be having multiple plugins with certain visual displays (EQ with analyzer turned on, multimeter, etc.) with a multi-monitor setup.

My current system is a Mac mini that came preloaded with 10.7 and it has this problem.

May 11, 2012 5:44 PM in response to fluffy

I was really just responding to the OP who said "It's happening even if I only have one or two tracks". You may very well be right, as I said, I'm new but just thought I would share my initial impression. I am using a 23" Apple Cinema display as a second screen connected to my MBA with a mini displayport adaptor FWIW

May 17, 2012 8:25 PM in response to fluffy

I removed ALL graphic analyzers AND set all EQ's to low quality (Under analyzer settings) and I am now running wayyy better.

I realized I had my default set at High Quality, Analyzer turned on... whoops!

This problems been driving me insane.. and I think I hav it fixed now.

2008 Mac Pro 3.07 GHZ Dual processors Intel Xenon

16 gig of memory

10000 rpm Velociraptor gamer drive

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Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?