DON'T UPDATE TO LION!

The Dude Abides wrote:

YOU claim that this forum represents a majority of Mac (or Lion or Mini or MBP) users- that has been your major point, that because so many people post here with problems, they must be a majority of users.

And here you come back and say I have not shown statistics, when you are ignoring them.

Read my posts again. I have never claimed that this forum represents a majority of Mac owners because I don't know what the percentages are. All I have been saying is that this forum is heavily weighted in the direction of problems and I have seen no evidence to support the claims made by you and a few others that Macs are relatively problem free. Such a claim would be counterintuitive in light of the majority of the posts here.

Otherwise, I'm not ignoring your statistics per se, it's simply that they're not relevant to the argument you're trying to make. Quoting sales statistics is not relevant without knowing the actual percentage of Mac users who have experienced problems. Everything you've posted in that regard has been mere speculation.

The Dude Abides wrote:

Let's move on.

Dude, abide!

Your quote, not mine:

"If you don't know what the actual statistics are, then you simply have no basis to say that the forums represent a minority of users. If you do know what the statistics are, please share them with us."

The forums represent a minority of users. Period

You use vague terms like "lots" or "numerous" completely unquantifiable carrying the payload chosen by you

"There have been numerous reports regarding connectivity problems with SMB shares under Lion, and I have experienced them myself. I also have monitoring software on my Mac mini that is showing wifi connectivity problems since the Lion upgrade"

You do it often:

"A lot of people have reported wifi problems since upgrading to Lion"

You toss in choice retorts:

In response to

Mac problems are rare!

you state "That is simply not true" without reference

The difference between my setups (which work) and yours, which (at least to your satisfaction) don't is .... remind me .....

It's spin, and bad spin at that.

capaho wrote:

All I have been saying is that this forum is heavily weighted in the direction of problems ...

A technical support forum weighted in the direction of technical problems? Surely not...

Good grief.

😁😁

What is this world coming to anyway.

Allan

Csound1 wrote:

You use vague terms like "lots" or "numerous" completely unquantifiable carrying the payload chosen by you

Those terms are consistent with my statements that I don't know what the actual statistics are. All of my impressions are based on my own experiences in conjunction with similar problem reports from other members, of which there are many. If you read through this forum yourself you might also find that to be the case. Of course, again, it's purely anecdotal.

If Macs are relatively problem free then it becomes rather difficult to explain the need for these support forums.

tonefox wrote:

A technical support forum weighted in the direction of technical problems? Surely not...

And one that appears to be rather stupefying as well.

capaho wrote:

tonefox wrote:

A technical support forum weighted in the direction of technical problems? Surely not...

And one that appears to be rather stupefying as well.

This whole thread is like that, I'm out of here.

Csound1 wrote:

This whole thread is like that, I'm out of here.

No doubt. Flooding my inbox with this childish nonsense? Thanks, kids.

Nobody here flooding your inbox, it's entirely voluntary, by your choice of settings. ;-)

(if I am included in your "kids" reference, bless you. I'll think of you as I pick up my pension Monday. :-D. )

Enjoy the pension, Ollie.

Your friend, "Stan." 🙂

Another fine mess we got ourselves into. :-D

capaho wrote:

If Macs are relatively problem free then it becomes rather difficult to explain the need for these support forums.

It isn't difficult to explain at all. If say 99.5% of all Mac users never have any problems, the 0.5% that do still have a need for user support forums.