G5 not recognize sata 2.0 internal hard drive

My Seagate 500 GB harddrive is failing and sometimes will not boot. The Smart test using TechTools Pro 6.0 shows it passing all the tests but several test the marker is a third of the way toward fail. This drive must have structure problems that I can't fix.


I purchased a new Western Digital Caviar HD 7200 2.0 Terabite hard drive. The Mac Pro will not recognize the drive internally. I formated it on a windows machine and the hooked it to my Mac Book Pro (Intell based) as an external drive. I formated it and partitioned it under the Apple Partition standard rather than GUID per instructions on WD's website. The Mac Book Pro and the Mac G5 both recognize the Caviar drive as an external drive but the G5 does not recognize the drive internally to install my operating system. I reversed the other Time Machine drive to be sure there wasn't a wiring problem in the Hard Drive enclosure. The Time Machine Harddrive (Hitachi 750 HD) works in both.


I can not find if there is an issue of the size of the Hard Drive. I'm using Leopard with the Power PC chip in the G5.


Any ideas ????


Bill

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2.5 Ghz 6 MB Ram

Posted on Aug 3, 2011 12:12 PM

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Aug 3, 2011 12:20 PM in response to William Saviers

G5 Forum: Power Mac


A Mac Pro IS Intel and is not a G5. A Mac Pro has no trouble with new SATA3 drives like that.


Only thing would be maybe jumper the drive per WDC support page but if you have QUAD G5, then it should work asis.


WD Black and Green are very well supported.


http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Intellipower-Desktop/dp/B004VFJ9MK/


http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-WD2002FAEX-Caviar-Desktop/dp/B004CSIG1G/

Aug 3, 2011 6:33 PM in response to The hatter

Thanks Hatter. Yep I mistyped... too much going on in one day after 3 days of frustration. The desktop is a Mac G5 not the intel chip Mac Pro. I have a laptop with an intell chip (MacBook Pro which I used to format the drive attached by USB externally). I read the links to the Black Caviar HD which is what I have. I did partition to APM and not GUID. Still the drive is not recognized in the G5 internal HD slot...but the G5 does recognize it as an external drive using USB. Is the partition too large for the G5 internal mother board.... or is there some setting that I need to reset on the G5????


Bill

Aug 5, 2011 6:46 AM in response to The hatter

Ah, Hatter, my problem is NOT with the external enclosure or connedtion device.... it works well and the drive is recognized by by Power Mac G5 and my intel Mac Book Pro. My problem is that the Western Caviar HD is not recognized when I put it in the INTERNAL HD slot of the Power Mac G5 so that I can reinstall my start up disk on it, since the Seagate 500 GB HD failed or sporadically boots the Power Mac G5.


The only information I can get on the Power MAC G5 is as follows from the system profiler of my OS Leopard start up DVD:


Model Name: Power Mac G5

Model ID: Power Mac 7.3

Processor Name: PowerPC G5 (3.0)

Processor Speed: 2.5 GH

CPU's: 2

L3 Cache (per CPU): 512

Ram: 6 GB

Bus Speed: 1.25 GH

Boot Rom Version 5.1.8f7

Seriel No.: G8****PP


Is this any help? Again is there a setting I can change on the Power Mac G5 that will enable it to recognize the Western Digital Caviar 2.0 TB Hard Drive??


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Aug 5, 2011 6:42 AM in response to William Saviers

AGP graphics

PCI-X


Easy to look up on Bing and go to Everymac

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html


I thought you had trouble formating to full capacity.


It wasn't until the "Late 2005" PCIe dual-core G5s that SATA support improved.

10.4.6 had untested pre-liminary support for "large" 2TB plus but you need to use GUID.

Aug 7, 2011 2:03 PM in response to The hatter

Sigh the saga continues. I formated it GUID , Two 1 TB partions. The G5 did not recognize it. Then I formated in three partitions under 1 TB in APM but still not recognized in the G5 internal slot. The drive is ok, because it is recognized by both the G5 and my intell MacBook Pro as an external drive.


Any more ideas? Or do I have to buy a HD and hope it works when I put in the the G5?


Thanks for the advice. I've played for three weeks now and this isn't getting better.....


Bill

Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM in response to William Saviers

Again, I have spend several weeks working on the hard drive issue. Neither the old hard drive nor the new replacement are recognized by the internal slot. Both are recognized as external harddrives.


I had a second hard drive, Hitatchi, that I used Super Duper to clone the old Seagate. It now seems to work. I used Tech Tool Pro 6 to clean up the volume as much as I could. The disk utility still finds some issues on SUID but I guess they are not the cause from other posts I have read concerning disk permissions.


I reset the PRAM and SMU.


I am reluctant to buy a third hard drive if the internal board does not recognize the hard disk. I have run the tests in Tech Tool Pro 6 but nothing is indicated as a problem.


Does anyone have a clue what is going on regarding hard drives and the Power Mac G5??


PS I used the external connection to do all the hard drive tests and optimization of the old Seagate 500 GB HD. It seems to be ok and working fine. The super duper clone was a pain because the program would frequently hang even though I was not using the power mac G5 to externally connect the two. I used my Mac Book Pro to connect the external Seagate 500 HD to the Power mac G5 Hitatchi in Target mode. It was a long drawn out process but it seems to have worked. I just don't know if the Power Mac G5 is stable enough to spend more money on still another hard drive.

Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM in response to William Saviers

Did you at any time have a drive in that drive bay?

some G5s shipped with the cable not connected to the motherboard.


I asked earlier, "Only thing would be maybe jumper the drive per WDC support page" and never saw that you followed up.


Depending on OS X version, G5 model, and the drive model, it may need a jumper to set it to SATA 1.0 mode (1.5Gb).


Which is why I directed to G5 forum, and of course always check the drive model on

www.wdc.com for tips on using in Mac, for a chart of jumpers and position.


There are at least two WD Caviar Black 2TB models, as well as Green.

Things that help us to know!

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=wd+ caviar+black+2TB


WD2002FAEX this is the newest generation w/ 64MB cache, SATA3 6G support and also backward compatible, though a G5 likely will need jumpered.

Aug 18, 2011 6:36 AM in response to The hatter

I had two hard drives: Seagate 500 and a Hitachi 750. The Seagate was the boot drive and seemed to be giving me problems so I changed it out of the lower slot. I tried the Hitachi in the lower slot and it worked there as well as in the upper slot. I don't think the wiring is the problem,but....


I tried the WD 2.0 GB in both slots and neither would recognize it even though it was recognized as an external drive on a USB 2 connection. It is a WD Caviar Black SATA 32 MB Mo Cache 7200 rpm/Tr/min WDBAAZ0020HNC -NRSN.


I could jumper the drive, but have no idea which jumper setting to use, since the WD support pages I read when I installed the drive the first time did not indicate in any jumper setting that it was necessary for a power mac G5....


I'll check again.

Nov 28, 2011 9:37 AM in response to William Saviers

Thanks, hatter, the jumper was the issue. I had checked the WD website and it was conflicting but the post you sited showed the jumper setting and I got a jumper and tried it. NOW it is recognized.


BUT, sheesh I hate this part, the Power Mac seems to corrupt the hard disk every time I have tried to reinstall. During the reinstall or the time machine update the Power Mac G5 crashes after a couple hours. I took it all apart, cleaned out the dust and do not see any problems with the liquid cooling system. I think this (crashing unexpectedly) was the real problem and not the hard drive I replaced. What could cause the G5 to start working for a while and then cause a crash, other than the cooling system? Or is there something with the cooling system I haven't been able to detect? I opened the case and had fans blowing on the machine and it still crashed.


I have spend hours cleaning and trying to reformat. It is such beautiful machine I hate to trash it.


Bill

Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I could have done this but I have not been able to get Leopard installed again on any harddrive. I've had to erase and clean the hard drive each time before I attempt another installation. The installation has only once completed but crashed when I tried to update from time machine. Then I had to start all over again.


Any idea how to log this from the install disk when I'm trying to install Leopard??

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