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  • Exchange_Mac Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM (in response to kylefromgeorgetown)

    Thank you again for your suggestions. While I, like so many, will wait and see what Apple does regarding this issue I have decided to buy Microsoft Office 2011 and have done so. This whole issue reminds me somewhat of the issues surrounding another Apple software product; Aperture. I subsequently chose to use Adobe Lightroom because of Apple's problems with that aperture program. Sometimes Apple just gets it wrong regarding software.

     

    While they invariably will straighten all of this out they will take their time and maybe produce several iterations (as with Aperture) before righting the ship. I just am not willing to wait for all of this, although I will look forward to what they eventually come up with i-Works. Maybe that will be with i-Works 2011. In the mean time I want something to use that I am familiar with and presents no problem to either me or the world I deal with relative to a word processing program.

     

    In a way this whole issue is quite funny to me because I historically have always had both Pages and Microsoft Word (2004 though) so that I would not have any issues with word processing. I was even beginning to use Numbers instead of Excel quite a bit. I finally (with Lion) decided to discard "Microsoft Office" (2004 is not compatible with Lion anyway) and use Pages/Numbers exclusively. No sooner did I make that decision when I discovered this little "wrinkle" in the Pages operation. Well, shame on me. I guess I blew that. After my experiences with Aperture I am very suspect about all of this. Well, I now have Microsoft Office 2011 and I am a happy camper once again.

  • jmi2 Calculating status...
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    Sep 26, 2011 5:38 PM (in response to kylefromgeorgetown)

    this is just one of the many, many stupid things they did with Lion!!!! it make the Vista fiasco look like a walk in the park.

     

    it definitely DOES NOT ROAR...

  • Peggy Level 8 Level 8 (38,085 points)
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    Sep 26, 2011 6:58 PM (in response to Exchange_Mac)

    See this thread for a solution to add Save As as a keyboard shortcut.

     

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  • Mayorcrispy Calculating status...
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    Oct 17, 2011 9:44 AM (in response to kylefromgeorgetown)

    The loss of "save as" is the most frustrating change for our entire staff. We share and pass around documents. We often use these documents as templates since the "save as template" is less than effective. This is causing me, in effect, to lose all my templates one by one.

     

    Ironically, to duplicate and rename, you have to start to close the document before you can do this. Very cumbersome and unnecessary.

     

    Update and give us this ioption back.

     

    Thanks!

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,760 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 9:54 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    Mayorcrispy wrote:

     

    The loss of "save as" is the most frustrating change for our entire staff. We share and pass around documents. We often use these documents as templates since the "save as template" is less than effective. This is causing me, in effect, to lose all my templates one by one.

    I'm quite sure that I wrote quite hundred times that a template is just a standard document azerty.pages renamed as azerty.template

    Ironically, to duplicate and rename, you have to start to close the document before you can do this.

    Who told you that ?

    Update and give us this ioption back.

    I'm sure that I wrote more than hundred times that here you aren’t speaking to Apple representative but to end users like you.

    If you want to say something to Apple, don't rant here, use the dedicated channel :

     

    Go to "Provide Pages Feedback" in the "Pages" menu , describe what you wish.

    Then, cross your fingers, and wait at least for iWork'11 or 12 ;-)

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 17 octobre 2011 18:54:19

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  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (14,730 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:00 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    You have to tell Apple this. Here we are all end user just like you and can't do any changes.

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/pages.html

  • Exchange_Mac Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:03 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    I feel your pain! Eventually I think we would get used to this but why should we have to? I decided to stick with Microsoft Office for now. Far less frustrating. All Apple would have to do to solve this problem is to create a "preference option" to turn this option ON or OFF. While I realize that it's built this way because of the Auto-Save function, again, I would recommend giving the user the option to use or not use in this manner.

  • jmi2 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:18 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    i've already commented on this if not on this discussion but maybe on another. it really is a stupid idea.

     

    you've go to 'Save a Duplicate' in order to then do a 'Save as" why make what was one step into multiple? The changes that iOS5 brings to Office are even more egregious.

     

    now that is something that usually is more than impossible considering it is Microsoft...

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,760 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:24 AM (in response to jmi2)

    What will you do when M…oSoft will update its products according to Lion's features ?

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 17 octobre 2011 19:24:16

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

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  • jmi2 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:33 AM (in response to KOENIG Yvan)

    i will be afraid - very, very afraid...

     

    i'm finally starting to get used to Word 2011!

  • DChord568 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:54 AM (in response to KOENIG Yvan)

    KOENIG Yvan wrote:

     

    I'm sure that I wrote more than hundred times that here you aren’t speaking to Apple representative but to end users like you.

    If you want to say something to Apple, don't rant here, use the dedicated channel

     

    Well, Yvan, perhaps this is one of those posters who would say "I write what I want, the way I want" — or maybe "I never make any effort to rub up the right way." (Sound familiar?)

     

    How is it that you won't grant to others the "right" you claim for yourself?

     

    I notice that you never chastise the posters who use these forums to praise Apple up and down for their wonderful decisions. You never tell them "This is not what these forums are for." This statement is reserved only for those with whom you disagree.

     

    Until you start doing this, your words here — like all of your many others — ring hollow.

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,760 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 11:27 AM (in response to DChord568)

    The problem with the mesage to which I respond is not what was written.

    I made no comment upon its contents.

    It's that here we are in an users to users forum.

    The sentence :

    "Update and give us this ioption back." was clearly written to Apple's attention.

    Alas for its author, Apple representatives will not read it.

    So to be efficient, such sentence must be posted in a channel where Apple representatives will read it.

    No less, no more.

    What I think about it is already well known so I will not comment the rest of your message.

    À bon entendeur salut !

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 17 octobre 2011 20:23:02

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

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  • Mayorcrispy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 11:37 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    Sorry for the post. Didn't mean to offend. My first time and my last. Since I got this link through Apple, I thought employees also attended/read/responded. I understand the fault of my ways.

  • DChord568 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 11:51 AM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    Mayorcrispy wrote:

     

    Sorry for the post. Didn't mean to offend. My first time and my last. Since I got this link through Apple, I thought employees also attended/read/responded. I understand the fault of my ways.

     

    No fault whatsoever. Pay no attention to that insignificant man behind the curtain. You are welcome here.

     

    Sending feedback directly to Apple is, of course, a very good idea. But anyone who insists that no one is allowed to vent in these forums has got a stick up his backside. It's only natural that this will happen in any gathering of Apple aficionados, and I don't notice anyone at Apple deleting posts with this content (unless they contain personal attacks). And I again point out that those who raise this objection and start quoting "rules" ONLY do so when said venting goes against their point of view.

     

    It's also beyond ludicrous to suggest that Apple would create these forums, and yet there would never be a single Apple employee who would ever think to look in on them to see what sorts of issues were top of mind with their user base.

     

    In fact, your post is very much on-point as far as "[using] Apple products and technologies more effectively." Unless Apple has a change of heart and a blinding flash of logic and allows Auto Save/Versioning/Duplicate to be turned off, you (and a great many others) will NOT be able to use Apple products and technologies more effectively.

     

    There's nothing whatsoever wrong about making that clear here.

  • jmi2 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 17, 2011 12:14 PM (in response to Mayorcrispy)

    Apple does monitor these discussion. more than once an Apple monitor will enter into the discusssion with some information or a link of where to go to find information on the Apple site.

     

    a couple of times i've even had a monitor actually respond by personal email over the years.

     

    you can also find some posts that will have 5,000+ responses/entries; you can bet they are watching those; when a lot of people are commenting on the same thing i think they will look into the problem.

     

    don't go away; our input is important and a lot of the time we have better answers than the 'genius's' do...

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