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kylefromgeorgetown Calculating status...
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Aug 4, 2011 1:03 PM

I routinely start a file and then save an instructor copy, then a student copy. The student copy I would simply "save as" from the Professor copy. I would then go easily through and eliminate paragraphs they did not need in their copy. The funtion of save as seems to be gone and now I can only save a version. What good does that do me? Apple, this is the second bonehead gaffe on this iWork, iCloud whiz-bang-gee-wiz awesome trip. Please fix my iWork, or I will be forced to "save as" MSWORD (uuuuugggghhhhhh)!

iWork Pages, Mac OS X (10.7)
  • Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (221,010 points)
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    Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM (in response to kylefromgeorgetown)

    Not gone, but changed. Instead use the Duplicate item. Then Save the duplicate under a new name or in a new destination folder, etc.

     

    The change is due to Lion's autosave and versioning.

  • dave_a Calculating status...
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    Aug 4, 2011 1:17 PM (in response to Kappy)

    "save" has gone as well as "save as" - is "save version" the same thing as save?

  • Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (221,010 points)
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    Aug 4, 2011 1:23 PM (in response to dave_a)

    Save Version saves the currently open file as a new version of the work. It is not the same as Save. You can "save" an open file by selecting Duplicate then save the duplicate with the same name as the file you were using. You will be asked if you want to replace a file with the same name. Respond with Replace. If you wanted to do a Save As then change the filename before saving the duplicate.

     

    See OS X Lion- About Auto Save and Versions

  • mdh98368 Calculating status...
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    Aug 5, 2011 10:11 AM (in response to Kappy)

    Kappy, your instructions still don't solve a fundamental problem. For example, in a workflow where I am editing a file that someone else has sent me, I may want to rename the file before sending it back by appending something like, "MDH Edits," to the file name. The beauty of "Save As" was that the work file in the window would now be the newly named file. The "old file" would happily be closed and stay right where it was in the file system.

     

    With Duplicate, when you rename the file, you now have two docs open, the original and the duplicate. So now you have to click to the old doc, manually close it, then come back to the new duplicated doc.

     

    It's far less intuitive and requires extra steps.

     

    The argument that I've seen online that the new versioning feature "required" this change seems wrong. Clearly, if you want to rename a file, you want to start a new thread of versioning for the newly named filed. Let the old file and its associated versions lie in peace, and let the newly named file created via "Save As" start its own versioning trail.

  • Woffman Calculating status...
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    Aug 5, 2011 10:58 AM (in response to mdh98368)

    Thank you for stating this so well.  It is obvious to those of us who want "save as" to return.  For some reason the "fan boys" keep restating the official party line about versions and autosave as if were some moral absolute.  Versions is a feature that is useful in some instances and not so in others.  I hope that you have sent Apple this suggested change and that they will impliment it in a future update.

  • mdh98368 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 11:33 AM (in response to Woffman)

    Haven't sent to Apple. I forget where the suggestion link is on their site. Do you know?

  • Woffman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 11:40 AM (in response to mdh98368)
  • Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (221,010 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 12:13 PM (in response to Woffman)

    "For some reason the "fan boys" keep restating the official party line about versions and autosave as if were some moral absolute."

     

    And, then there are people like yourself who feel that when someone does not agree with them or tries to explain why something in OS X functions as it does, they become "fan boys." This ad hominem attack simply reveals that you have no bases for your position so you attack the other person instead. I find such an attitude insulting.

     

    File your feature request and move on. Quit acting like a disappointed child who didn't get what they want. The link is Apple Feedback.

  • Woffman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 1:34 PM (in response to Kappy)

    Profuse apologies, didn't intend to "attack" you personally.  As far as I can tell we are not in any disagreement about how versions/autosave functions, unless you are opposed to "save as" being restored.  Even then, "live and let live".  My "fanboy" comment was intended to address the general tenor of the discussion board on this topic.  But upon reviewing this thread I can see why you feel the comment was directed at you.  I was focused on mdh98368's helpful comment and insensitive to the immediate context of your comments.  Peace? 

  • Dale Gillard Level 5 Level 5 (4,365 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 4:47 PM (in response to mdh98368)
    For example, in a workflow where I am editing a file that someone else has sent me, I may want to rename the file before sending it back by appending something like, "MDH Edits," to the file name.

     

    I'd suggest a new workflow if you do not like duplicating a file from the Pages. For example, you could save the file from an email to a folder,  open this folder in the Finder, duplicate the document, rename it and open both in Pages.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,270 points)
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    Aug 5, 2011 4:55 PM (in response to Dale Gillard)

    Dale Gillard wrote:

     

    I'd suggest a new workflow if you do not like duplicating a file from the Pages. For example, you could save the file from an email to a folder,  open this folder in the Finder, duplicate the document, rename it and open both in Pages.


    Thanks Apple for simplifying this.

  • Dale Gillard Level 5 Level 5 (4,365 points)
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    Aug 6, 2011 12:01 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)

    Apple have simplified saving overall. Apple have removed the need to manually save a document. This makes Pages simpler. Apple have changed the historical, file system based name of "Save As" to "Duplicate". IMO, "Duplicate" makes far more sense than "Save As".

     

    Sure, having to manually save a document when you first duplicate it is an extra step compared with the old Save As workflow. But this is more than offset by the number of times you'd manually save a document over its life, if you were not using OS X Lion.

     

    And do you really prefer the alternative? Apple forcing you to save the document immediately rather than being able to keep working on the document and then save when *you* want to. This is what the Save As workflow did. And for no reason other than 'this is how all computers work'.

     

    I'm happy to put up with the chore of manually saving a duplicated document once to get all the benefits that OS X Lion offers.

  • Patricia W Calculating status...
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    Aug 8, 2011 6:18 AM (in response to Dale Gillard)

    As far as I can tell it takes more steps to create a new version of a file. BTW, when I checked the Help for Saving it still discusses Save As ...no mention of Save Version. When I duplicate a document it switches the menu item from Save Version to Save As ... so that is better. But it is definitely a different way of doing things and will take some getting used to. I don't think it is an improvement.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,270 points)
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    Aug 8, 2011 7:54 PM (in response to Dale Gillard)

    Dale

     

    It does not make it simpler if for any reason you need to save under a different name or to a different format or have opened a file from a different format and Pages has converted it.

     

    Apple seems determined to make the simplest of tasks arcane, convoluted and requiring stick it notes all over your monitor to navigate. Then do a terrible job of support.

     

    I'm waiting for them to release the ultimate Mac OS: "iDOS"

     

    Peter

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