PUT BACK SAMBA

This is exactly the place since apple answeres this question with a terse "its a GPL issue and legal" so effectively they said go away and close your mouth we are going to stick you with this anyway. The issues presented here are not a Rant they are factual issues that a user upgrading to LION will face. These are real and not imagined performance problems. I have never been a posted here and have had every .0 release of OSX.

I have always posted credible posts and up until one previous release post have not needed to.

These are serious and real issues which Apple has said by their answer will not be fixed in the short term I believe. I went through the years of SAMBA upgrading their software to play well with Microsoft. Apple has the ability to put out a version of SAMBA on Snow Leopard. To combine this with iOS changes is sad at best.

Tell me, once Apple says they won't change back to a working set (even an older set of SAMBA software) that does not have these problems, where do I go to post the things users will face? Give me another place and I will be glad to leave this one. I never posted for most all previous releases and generally do not.

I believe this rises to the exceptional call for Apple to do something right for people using LION who also use microsoft networking. This feels an awful like the release of Microsoft Vista but for differrent reasons.

I have purchased more than 100 times on Apple. I love OSX since it came out nearly 12 years ago. It pains me to have to post these things. It is necessary since Apple has left most users no choice. I may port Samba to my machines to get back some of what I've lost. The Client stuff may be hard to fix as it is in the kernel in mount_smbfs.

I would be happy with a down release of SMB / SAMBA that works. The GPLv3 dis not exist on older versions of the SAMBA software. Until Apple had a truly suitable release of the SAMBA replacement they should not have made their users suffer. They are becoming more like Microsoft every day. I suspect a 100% Steve Jobs would not have made this decision to hmmer his loyal customer base. Makes me wonder what will Apple be like without him. I think I will go back to SL and stay there like my wife has done with Tiger. This will be my last post and although I love Apple and more importantly Steve Jobs, Without his direction I really wonder where they will head. I cannot fathom having to use a Microsoft Operating System. I am careful and with OSX have not needed even a set of virus software except on the Microsoft shares. These are now an Apple version which I have done the initial analysis and I believe the infotmation to be accurate and not a Rant. If people here believe I should "shut up and live with it" like Apple's answer then I will let them bury their head in the sand and I will not add to the factual discussion and go away.

Now Ive sent a message to sjobs at apple, Called Apple and as others can attest to Apple wont admit there is a problem. Our only recourse is here and through word of mouth. All the people I told to buy Apple computers have been told that until Apple either fixes the SMB which was broken by removing Samba or restores some version of Samba working to end their upgrades at Snow Leopard. Deggie, you have told me I have to contact steve jobs. That was really constructive criticism. I am a 35 year Kernel expert in all Unixes and I have few avenues left for Apple to rectify the worst release they have come up with. I was caught napping because every other 10.X.0 release was manageable from the basic bug set and general usability standpoint. Lion cannot be put in that category as you have to work at it to get the stability and SMB networking needs no further comment. Too bad really because the UI changes are the best so far at being consistent with the iPad anf iPhone.

1) I am a paraplegic with central pain. I run a software business I own and I generally do not have time to port Samba to Apple because it is one of the reasons I embraced 10.X of Apple. Apple was dying under the load of building great UI upper level software and building an OS before 10.X. Steve Jobs (I credit him because I have no inside information) was very smart in selecting a hardened UNIX OS so he could do other things Apple was and is good at.

I'm looking into putting Samba on Lion but with Apple integrating and shipping their new netbiosd (funny how the man page still says nmbd -- the samba daemon) the task is not a simple as one would think. I am going to try to find a Snow Leopard machine to see how they changed the daemons, config files, plists and such. Then turn off the new netbiosd and make sure it doesnt partially return on a reboot. Install Sambs and make sure it reboots correctly. If you think it is a snap to replace netbiosd I would take your release.

As far as Microsoft goes, Everyone who has tried to keep up with their changes has had many problems including the Samba team. After 25 years, the Samba team is pretty good at it. The fact is that Microsoft has broken their own implementation many more times than I can remember. Regardless of what one thinks of Microsoft, they are the SMB standard and all must pray at that altar. That is why I believe the netbiosd in 10.7 is premature.

I beg to disagree. It is the responsibility of Apple to put in a suitable replacement if they have a disagreement with samba developers. Netbiosd is not a suitable replacement. With Microsoft occupying 3/4 conservatively of the market Apple should have done better. When I was a kernel and Tool developer fot IBM's R&D group for UNIX, IBM did the same kind of thing with AIX and in the long run reverted to standards. Microsoft networking are standard tools. I guess I have never been slammed by Apple like Microsoft before. If this continues, Apple will not be the rising star anymore on ther computers. Maybe all they care about is iPhones and iPads.

I have Lion working just fine with vista and Win 7. It may have been a poor prospective decision by the Samba team but Apple coud have used the version from Snow Leopard as I am. Apple made a major bo-bo, Face it.

The samba server works and the new Netbiosd from Apple doesn't sometimes and when it does it takes 30 seconds to find a machine on a simple gigabit network.

Since you say it doesn't work either you are drinking apple kool-aid and/or you ignorant of the truth. I thought this thread was over long ago when I asked Apple and their CS group denied that there was any problem. I have loved apples since OSX arrived. Lion is a very unlike apple release. Say whatever you want and live with the netbiosd. I will not.