Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2013 7:14 AM (in response to drowningindata)
I know it doesn't help with scroll arrows but I have been running "TotalFinder" for the last few days which amongst other things easily brings the colour icons back to the finder side bar.
I'm still using it in demo mode (14 days) and it costs $18 to buy, I'm not recommending it but its worth a look, I wont give a link as that would be too much of a plug :-)
It would be great if someone wrote a similar plugin to bring the scroll arrows back, I'm sure it is possible
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2013 9:25 AM (in response to Gulldo)
Two Quasi Solutions
1. On their own, Adobe has added scrollbar arrows to Illustrator CS6. They don't seem to be in any other CS6 programs, so they must be testing their functionality. The arrows help a lot, especially with those little color swatch palettes.
2. I recently tested a Logitech M510 wireless mouse. It's top rated on Amazon and it worked great for about a week before I returned it. It is not as responsive as the Apple Magic Mouse (or apparently as well made), but it has one thing that no Apple mouse has every had: a scroll wheel. And it's a ratcheted scroll wheel with variable sensitivity. You can crank up the sensitivity to a line at a time, which works even better than scrollbar arrows. You can tilt the wheel left and right to move sideways, and holding the wheel down lets you scroll up a page at a time. I don't know why Apple has an aversion to scroll wheels, but they're great. The little wheel in the old Apple mouse was a joke in comparison. If Apple could make a mouse with a scroll wheel that matches the accuracy of the Magic Mouse, they'd have a hit and the loss of scrollbar arrows would no longer be an issue.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 1:03 AM (in response to Edac2)
This thread is good because I've been messaging that link for a while - months, many months and I haven't gotten any response none have so that link does nothing! At least we are discussing amongst ourselves ways to help the problems we have encountered. I'm one of the biggest Mac fans I know but there are many features I wish Apple would bring back. I understand when people don't like bringing back a two-year-old thread though. But what's the point of starting a new one when it will be the same topic? I never understand that. I guess I could create a new thread with the same topic again. But like I said I don't understand why.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 1:55 AM (in response to macgirl_k)
Also, this is on Apple.com. Do they not have any moderators?
No. Not here. The forums have their own moderators who have had to remove numerous nasty and irrelevant comments from within this thread. Being over two years old it is only the usual suspects keeping this thread open. The only way to achieve anything is by hounding Apple in numbers through their official feedback channels. Obviously nowhere near enough people have complained to make them see fit to return it. Do remember that the younger generation who have bought millions of Macs over the last two years have never even seen the scroll bar arrows and thus will never miss them compared to older users.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 10:11 AM (in response to macgirl_k)
I'm not that old. I've been using macs since I was a kid. It's a usability issue when we have things that need the arrows. They should make the option to turn them back on. I will never get used to them not being there. Maybe new users do wish something like that was there but as you said they never knew it was a feature. But in my family I have people aged 18-82 who want some of the old features back.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 1:28 PM (in response to macgirl_k)
I can only wish you good luck in your mission to hound Apple to fit them back into the coding of future OSXs. Who knows what 10.9 may hold if it arrives. Meanwhile, do remember that they are still available in Snow Leopard.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 2:55 PM (in response to petermac87)
I've sumarized below a few of the issues that I've had since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I'll be sending this to Apple later today via their contact links. Whether it'll do any good is hard to say, but there are other avenues of approach to having Apple behave in a polite and helpful manner toward it's users. Hopefully I won't have to go that path.
OS X Mountain Lion, Usability Issues
Several changes in Mountain Lion (and previously, Lion) have created usability issues.
1. Scroll bars have lost their arrows and the bar, or 'thumb' itself is thinner. Working on long text files sometimes requires fine vertical adjustment of the text, this is not possible with the scroll bar 'thumb'.
2. The hand tool is missing in Preview. With large sized files, moving around in the image is really inconvenient and requires several scroll bar moves.
3. Folder icons are now all grey with no option to modify. This hinders usability because you have to visually hunt for the right icon whereas previously unique, customized or coloured icons were quick and easy to identify.
4. Software Update now works through the App Store app.
This is a problem because currently there is no way of seeing the file size of each update download and worse, there is no way of pausing and restarting the download. Some downloads are very large, ie the OS X update was over 4 GB, losing the download whilst downloading means re-downloading and loss of monthly data plan capacity.
5. There is no way of reporting abuse on the Apple Support Forums. The result is that trolling is easy for perpetrators and annoying for forum users. Moderators need to be aware of this. We need a 'report abuse' link.
There are a lot of things I like about OS X Mountain Lion, but I think the above issues need addressing fairly urgently.
In summary, most of these faults have been obvious for some time and yet there is no response from Apple. Certain users, like handicapped people and professionals have written about their problems with these usability issues. As a writer I find text navigation in Pages really awkward, as without scroll arrows the text moves in jerks and jumps which becomes very tiring and tiresome over a long period editing. (I moved to Pages btw because MS Word had become extremely problematic, misbehaving bloatware)
Additionally, I do not have a trackpad or a scroll-wheel mouse and don't see why I should have to buy these devices (I have a limited income) simply because Apple has reduced OS X usability in order to promote a new tablet-like interface, legacy users would certainly have a very dim view of this.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 3:25 PM (in response to drowningindata)
but there are other avenues of approach to having Apple behave in a polite and helpful manner toward it's users. Hopefully I won't have to go that path.
What path would that be? I am sure there are other users who wish to contact Apple but are also not happy with the 'Feedback' page provided by Apple, so details from you of other Avenues available would be appreciated, I am sure.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2013 9:45 PM (in response to rossCantChangeAfterYouCreateYourAccount)
I agree with drowning in data.
Pete however again suggests a down rev
To Snow Leopard. Which I disagree with.
I am not suggesting anything, I am stating that at present if you require scroll bar arrows, you will need Snow Leopard. They are not available in OSXs from the last two years. Fact.
So you can keep complaining to Apple or otherwise use the other Avenues that drowning in data is suggesting but yet to specify.
No one knows if they were removed due to the new coding within 10.7 and 10.8 or whether it was a decision in relation to making OSX features more like iOS features, or some reason totally unrelated. To state with assurity that either is right is pure speculation (disallowed here under the TOU) or otherwise just an uninformed opinion, as Apple have made no statement on it, other than by the fact that they have never been returned.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 3, 2013 5:16 AM (in response to Gulldo)
I work largely in Word (MS Office for Mac 2011) which is so badly damaged through "improvements" that it doesn't bear mentioning as a problem, but there too, after upgrading to Mountain Lion, I've lost the scroll arrows (the finely calibrated ones), which were crucial. In Word, though, I can use the up and down arrows. In Mac Mail, however, I can no longer scroll up and down through my list of messages with any degree of control. Using the up and down arrows means scrolling through unread mail which then becomes "read" mail.
Mac is starting to look very Micrsoftish with their indifference to user ease and functionality.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 8:20 AM (in response to Chuck Risher)
No they didn't. The only way this is going to be fixed is for developers to add the feature to individual apps, like Adobe has with some of their Creative Cloud programs (Illustrator, InDesign and others).