Will iCloud work with Snow Leopard?

Apple is to the point the customer no longer matters. They are about innovation. Get out your money and pay to own innovation. I love Apple I have had 15+ Macs. I have been using them since the early 80's. I don't need a dual core processor if the one i have now will do it all, but little ole icloud will push me to spending...maybe.

Apple now allows virtualization of Mac OS Lion, the very same OS which dropped Rosetta. IMO, this is all wrong. It should have first allowed virtualization for 10.7 and dropped Rosetta in 10.8 (or allowed virtualization in 10.6). It gives the feeling Apple did both at the same times with reasons, like if they wanted to really not allow Rosetta users to stay “in the past”.

Jimmy, I have the same problem with Win32.

It was all intentional to try to force people to buy their latest products. I love the Apple products too, but with all the competition out there and the pace at which technology is moving, they will only be able to play that game for so long. Apple has been in the toilet before and could easily head back that direction if they crap on their customers enough. Preventing people from running old stuff is just plain stupid. They attracted people to the new Intel based platforms by saying they could still run their old stuff, then they just cut it off Stupid, stupid, stupid. One good lesson that Apple could learn from the Windows world is that Backwards compatibility and the open architecture model made it grow fast and has kept it the dominate player for decades. I'm not saying Apple needs to open everything up but when something is as simple as keeping a feature such as rosetta or allowing one to Virtualize the older OS so you can still use your old investments, they are missing the boat big time.

Not really quite the same with Win32, there's viable options out there to address the 32 vs 64 bit issues and Microsoft is not trying to prevent you from using your old stuff. Apple purposely abandon's things people use and want to drive you to their next line of hardware.

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What part of that is wrong? Apple doing things to drive you to their latest and greatest or that you have options in the windows to deal with the Win32 concerns?

Your argument is wrong because there is no hardware upgrade required, I am still using my 2007 iMac, no problem. I did have to wait until just recently to move to Lion due to some older PPC apps I use, MS Office, Photoshop, Quicken. But I am now glad I did and the new versions or alternatives are much better.

Now I do wish that they would continue with Rosetta, but dropping support for this was announced years ago, SW developers have had years to move away from PPC code, and I am sure there are good valid technical reason for moving on and advancing the platform. Dragging old technology along in new OS versions and adding major new features to old OS versions is just not feasible for long, adds complexity, slows progress. They actually pulled of a seamless miracle successfully moving from 68k to PPC to Intel and after years of having to support these old systems we finally have a clean new OS.

IMO, the big fuss over iCloud is really not worth it, seems limited for what it works with and I find myself using DropBox for file sharing.

As Apple users, we should not have to resort to "outside" sources for file sharing and storage. DropBox is for Windows users to imitate what they call a cloud. Just because Cupertino abandoned a great product for a so-so product, doesn't mean they won't fix this error in the near future. I think they have plans to offer a big improvement to iCloud in the coming months. They are building two huge new data centers for what? They already had enough infrastructure with MobileMe to convert all the iCloud users, so I think there's something more on the way.

You are right about the technology. No sense holding on to the past. It once served us well, but we must move forward.

. . . but I really miss iWeb :-( I'm sorry, I just can't do facebook. It is for juveniles, and egotists.

seadoodude wrote:

Now I do wish that they would continue with Rosetta, but dropping support for this was announced years ago, SW developers have had years to move away from PPC code, and I am sure there are good valid technical reason for moving on and advancing the platform.

I don't think the complaints are about either having enough time to make the transition or whether or not there are technical reasons for Apple to move on, but the problem is forcing us to move on (we may want to not always buy everything).

My personal opinion.

1080 psf wrote:

I just want Snow Leopard to work with Icloud. I can not afford to upgrade Photoshop and Microsoft Office 2003.

Office 2003 is a Windows program, it will never run on OSX

FYI, MS Office is also a Mac program. In fact, years ago it started out on the Mac platform, back before Windows was copied. Excel was first out on Mac back in the early days, still runs on my original Mac.

If you search on EBay, etc, you can find cheap older versions of Office that will work. I believe v2008 will work. So if you are happy using old versions, there is usually an inexpensive solution.

Same for Photoshop, like non commercial educational versions. If you are a heavy commercial photoshop user you are best to get the latest version, if not, there are cheaper and simpler alternatives. Quicken finally made v2007 work on Intel, I think $29 upgrade, my last holdout.

Office2003 is Windows, like Csound1 said. Like Office 2007 and 2010.

In Mac they are 2004 (which will not run in Lion), 2008 which will run with very small issues, and 2011.

Quicken has now (at last) a new version that wil run under Lion.

seadoodude wrote:

FYI, MS Office is also a Mac program

Listen closely dude!

Office 2003 is a windows program, Office 2004 is a Mac program, read before you post.

Office, Photoshop, etc., etc.

Ah, yes, there are newer versions (or alternatives) but sometimes it's the mix. For example, I have a workflow that involves Word 2004, and the very very old (Macromedia) renditions of Dreamweaver and Fireworks. I have now purchased the updated versions of Word and Dreamweaver (Adobe rev.) and have not yet found a suitable answer to Fireworks. That was hundreds of dollars (and counting) that I'd rather not have spent.

But, money aside, will these work TOGETHER in the way that was so minimally seamless as their predecessors? Did I check out alternative software? Yes, I spend weeks (over months) checking out 'eval copies' of the others and it was a joke (esp. on the Dreamweaver front -- the most highly recommended alternative failed on all four of the basic test I ran the eval. copy through). So I bit the bullet and figured there has to be some way to get these 'best of breed' guys working together, even if different from today's workflow. But that's time I'd rather not have had to spend.

I know, I know -- whah, whah, whah ... it's progress and all that. Otherwise some of us would still be on OS9 (which I recall loving back then) ... couldn't live without out it.

BTW, if anyone has an answer to a suitable Fireworks replacement, I have that posted as a still open question in another thread. No suitable alternative spotted yet, and the current Fireworks (now that it's with Adobe) doesn't cut it either. So for that piece of the puzzle, throwing $$$ at it isn't the answer either.