14 Replies Latest reply: Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM by Bob Timmons
JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I just installed a 5th generation Airport Extreme 802.11 n, replacing a third generation Airport Extreme 802.11g. I want to extend my network range. Can I use the AP 3rd gen 802.11 g to extend my primary 5th gen AP 802.11 n. network?????


Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.4), MB Pro
  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    The 3rd generation AirPort Exreme is an "n" device as well....not "g" as you mention in your post.

     

    Apple's instructions to "extend a wireless network" are here:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4259

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Bob,

    I may have made a mistake. It may be an earlier model (M8799LL/A).

    It is a 802.11g.

    I was planning on extending my network with it, if I could.

    Thank you for the information.

     

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    If you plan to extend using wireless only, unfortunately you will have to use a WDS type setting on both AirPort routers. There are some real penalties associated with this setting:

     

    • WDS operates only in "g" wireless mode, so you lose all of the faster "n" capability of your new AirPort.
    • The wireless network bandwidth will be cut in half. So, while you will have a bit more wireless coverage, you will have a "g" wireless network running at half speed
    • WDS is a difficult configuration for most users. It's easy to make a mistake and tough to recover without resetting the device and starting all over when things don't work

     

    It would be much, much better if you could connect the old AirPort to the new AirPort using a wired Ethernet connection. The configuration is much simpler and the new AirPort will run at maximum speeds.

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Bob,

    The info was greatly appreciated. You seem very knowwledgable.

    Will do what you suggest.

    Joe

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Good Morning Bob,

    Thanks for the previous information.

    Over the weekend I thought of two scenerios and I need your opinion.

     

    1. I hate to see the older Extreme just sit and go to waste.

         As you mentioned, hard Ethernet wire it to the new Extreme to prevent losing the n on the new one.

         Can I put it in another room using Ethernet Powerline Adapters.

     

    2. Or can I just intiate a new wieless g network in another part of the house.

     

    I do get pretty good coverage throughout the house now.

    I have a Verizon FIOS router coming in and the Ariport Extreme n, in the office.

    Thanks for your help,

    Joe

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)
    hard Ethernet wire it to the new Extreme to prevent losing the n on the new one.     Can I put it in another room using Ethernet Powerline Adapters

    That would be your best choice if you cannot run an Ethernet cable from the "new" AirPort Extreme to the location where you plan to install the "old" AirPort Extreme.

     

    2. Or can I just intiate a new wieless g network in another part of the house.

    Not sure what you mean here. If you do not connect the "old" AirPort Extreme to the "new" one using an Ethernet connection, the "wireless g network" will not be able to connect to the Internet.

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I apologize for keeping this ongoing.

    I guess my thought process was wrong.

     

    I have an incoming Verizon router for phone, internet and TV.

    I have it hard wired (Ethernet) to my new Airport Extreme.

    When I go on my iphone, ipad or any of my computers ,I have 2 networks I can access.

    The FIOS or the Airport.

    I just thought I could initiate another Airport network wtth the old g Airport Extreme.

    So it would be usable.

    Thanks

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    Sorry for the confusion.

     

    So, are you asking if you can connect the "old" AirPort Extreme.....using wireless only....and have it provide more wireless coverage?

     

    Or, are you asking if you can connect the "old" AirPort Extreme to the "new" AirPort Extreme using an Ethernet cable connection and have the old AirPort Extreme provide more wireless coverage that way?

     

    If neither of the above is correct, please describe what function the "old" AirPort Extreme would perform on your network. In other words, what service would it provide?

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I understand both those situations.

     

    I'm asking if I can if I can have it perform a third network. Hardwired to my FIOS router.

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    Sure, connect via Ethernet and configure the old Extreme to "create a wireless network". It's very important that the Extreme be configured in Bridge Mode for things to work correctly.

     

    The wireless network would have a different network name than your other "networks". So, you will have to look for the network and log on when you want to connect to that network.

     

    IF....you assign the same wireless network name to the old Extreme as your new AirPort Extreme, and use the same security setting and password.....you will be able to "walk" your laptop from the area near the new AirPort Extreme to the area near the old Extreme and not have to "switch" networks. The laptop will automatically pick up the wireless access point with the strongest signal.

     

    Post back if you need step by step by step for any of the configurations above.

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That is it Bob.

     

    I would appreciate a step by step fror the configurations.

     

    As you can see, I do want to use the old AE for something not just collecting dust.

     

    Thanks

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    Do you want the setup with a "different" wireless network name than your new Extreme, or do you want to create a large network with the same wireless network name?

  • JRCorv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I think a different network name.

    I have different network names for what I have now.

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (92,310 points)

    Perform a Factory Default Reset on the old AirPort Extreme (AEBS)

     

    Power down the AEBS by pulling the power plug from the back of the device

    Hold in the reset button and keep holding it in for 8-10 seconds while you plug the power back in

    Release the reset button and allow 40-45 seconds for the AEBS to restart to a slow blinking amber light

     

    Connect an Ethernet cable from one of the LAN <-> ports on the new AEBS to the WAN port (circle of dots icon) on the old AEBS

    Open AirPort Utility - Select the old AEBS - Click Manual Setup

     

    Click the Base Station tab located below the row of icons to assign a device name to the AEBS, device password, adjust Time Zone settings, etc.

     

    Click the Wireless tab

    Wireles Mode = Create a wireless network

    Wireless Network Name = Your choice

    Radio Mode = 802.11b/g compatible

    Channel = Automatic

    Wireless Security = Recommend WPA2 Personal or WPA/WPA2 Personal

    Wireless Password = Your choice

    Confirm Password

     

    Click the Internet icon

    Click the Internet Connection tab below the icon

    Connect Using = Ethernet

    Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)

     

    Update to save settings and allow 40-45 seconds for the AEBS to display a green light

     

    Very important.....power off the entire network....all devices.....order is not important

    Start the modem first and let it run by itself for a moment or two

    Start the new AEBS the same way

    Start the old AEBS the same way

    Continue starting devices one at a time about a minute apart until everything is powered back up

     

    Check the network for proper operation.