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rmgman Level 3 Level 3 (520 points)

Every Friday about this time at work it's my duty to swap an external RAID that we use Retrospect to backup all our work files. It's so easy these days with Firewire and USB ports and just now I recalled how much of a pain in the youknowwhat it was when you had to deal with SCSI cables, devices such as SyQuest Drives and Bernoulli Drives and MOD disks. Oy! Remember how to connect a SCSI device you had to shut down and then restart each device in a certain order and each SCSI item had to have it's own ID number set. I don't miss those days at all. You kids have it easy.

  • Texas Mac Man Level 8 Level 8 (46,535 points)

    I remember when I had a Mac 512Ke that you had to save files on an 800K floppy.

     

     Cheers, Tom

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (40,685 points)

    I remember envying people in another department.  They had a 10MB hard drive in their computer, I had to work from 360k floppies.!

  • Texas Mac Man Level 8 Level 8 (46,535 points)

    My 512Ke didn't have an internal HD, so I bought an external HD. Don't remember the size, but it was probably 10MB. Normally on the 512Ke, you had to load a series of floppies to boot & you were constantly swapping floppies to load an app, print, etc. By using the external HD, it would hold the system files.

     

     Cheers, Tom

  • Appaloosa mac man Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    Tom,

     

    Please refresh my memory.  Was it the 'e' in the 512Ke that allowed it to read 800k instead of just 400k?

     

    Jim

  • Texas Mac Man Level 8 Level 8 (46,535 points)

    Please refresh my memory.  Was it the 'e' in the 512Ke that allowed it to read 800k instead of just 400k?

     

    You are correct. It could read/write 400K single side and 800K double side floppies. Here's the specs on the 512Ke.

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_classic/stats/mac_512ke.html

     

    I remember that 800K discs were almost 2X the cost of 400K discs. But I found a computer store that sold 400Ks in bulk (50 in a box) where the opposite side was coated, but not tested/verified. They were only slightly more expensive than regular 400Ks.I never had a data problem with files copied to the back side.

     

     Cheers, Tom

  • Appaloosa mac man Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    Thanx, Tom

  • rmgman Level 3 Level 3 (520 points)

    Those were the days when you could also look inside the System folder and KNOW what each file in there was for, and there was a whole lot less files in there.

  • Appaloosa mac man Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    I had a roomate that called Baltimore the armpit of america.  Is that correct?

  • Niteshooter Level 2 Level 2 (450 points)

    I still have some Syquest, Bernoulli and Zip drives floating around. Every now and then someone discovers a disk with data they just have to recover and they no longer own a drive and or Mac that can read it.

     

    I hated tape backups.

     

    Even have some oddball MO drives and media floating around, the 640MB and 1GB HP drive.

     

    Lyon is the armpit of France.... no idea about the US but I might have thought Detroit...

  • cigartexan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    ****, I remember those HP optical drives, lol. I ran across some Syquest discs about a month back, what were those, 135MB?

  • Niteshooter Level 2 Level 2 (450 points)

    Syquest, oh yes I remember them.

     

    They had so many different versions at the end my head was spinning about as fast as their disks.

     

    The original 44 then 88 then 200 form factor. Then they came out with a smaller size which was 105 and 270. Then the Syjet or something like that at which point I gave up. I think it was the Syjet that was the 135MB one's that looked to be the same form factor as the 105 and 270. I think I have a drive and a box of disks that we were tossing at work in the basement. I saved them for some derranged reason though haven't even attached the drive to anything.

     

    I guess Zip and Jazz were a bit better. I have a Cisco micro webserver in my collection that ran using a single 100MB Zip disk. Very weird concept and Cisco no less.

  • hellopaul2 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Does anyone who remembers what could be done with 10MB RAM, a 40MB hard disc and a snail-pace processor, get disappointed by how little progress has been made by software, considering the ~1000x increase in hardware speed and capacity? I suspect that programmers "these days" are lazy, and don't use all the streamlining tricks and hacks that were essential in the Days Gone By. Yeah, rmgman - do we really need 4.82GB (102,238 items) in the system folder?!

     

    I used to create 3D animations on my LCII (with the aforementioned 10MB RAM and 40MB HD)...with a 12" screen in "thousands of colours" using StrataVision3D. Then I'd have to go out and lick road clean wit' tongue. Kids of today etc, etc....

     

    I very much liked those 3.5"(ish) magneto optical 256MB (I think) discs - very cute and much less prone to the "oh my god, I've slid that lever all the way across without waiting for the SyQuest disc to spin down so I've destroyed the disc and probably the drive too" syndrome. But that 256MB drive was prone to squirting 240 Volts out of the SCSI port, which often led to some shocking results! I have no idea how it didn't kill the Mac it was connected to (by then I was working on a gorgeous Quadra 840AV) - it nearly killed me on at least one occasion. By about 1998ish there were so many competing drive formats around that (at work) we had a stack of various SCSI drives about 2 feet high!

     

    It's disappointing that Apple are planning to kill of the Mac Pro line completely (in my uninformed opinion!).

  • rmgman Level 3 Level 3 (520 points)

    No, no, no! NJ (where I live) claims the distinct honor of being the "Armpit of America". Just look at a map of the USA. It actually seems to be in the area of an armpit.

     

    I picked up that nickname when I lived up in Maine after college. The "Down Easters" were friendly, but often told me I was a "flatlander" and I came from the "Armpit of America".

  • rmgman Level 3 Level 3 (520 points)

    hellopaul2 wrote:

     

    Yeah, rmgman - do we really need 4.82GB (102,238 items) in the system folder?!

     

    I very much liked those 3.5"(ish) magneto optical 256MB (I think) discs - very cute and much less prone to the "oh my god, I've slid that lever all the way across without waiting for the SyQuest disc to spin down so I've destroyed the disc and probably the drive too" syndrome. But that 256MB drive was prone to squirting 240 Volts out of the SCSI port, which often led to some shocking results! I have no idea how it didn't kill the Mac it was connected to (by then I was working on a gorgeous Quadra 840AV) - it nearly killed me on at least one occasion. By about 1998ish there were so many competing drive formats around that (at work) we had a stack of various SCSI drives about 2 feet high!

    I believe those mini SyQuest drives were call "EZ Drives" as in "Easy" Ha! Anything but.

     

    BTW: I still own and USE my Zip disks and drive. I like that they are for the most part reliable and rewritable. I back up important info on multiple zip disks and have some friends hold on to them, just in case anything ever happened to my home (heaven forbid!).

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