slide show slide duration discrepancy

hello

I'm in the process of creating a slide show accompanied by a number of music tracks. While calculating the length each song should last for each section of slides, I discover that (at least with my iPhoto) the actual time each slide is displayed is longer than the time entered in settings. A 6 second setting results in about 8.5 seconds display. This is with transition set at 'none' but the transition does not seem to have any effect.
Is this a time discrepancy something that anyone else has noticed.
I am concerned because I need to play the slide show on another mac and I would like the music to sync up with the images.

thanks
davido



imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Posted on Jan 26, 2006 6:47 AM

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Jan 27, 2006 7:35 AM in response to davido67

You're right, David. I have the same problem. 1 second with the fastest dissolve transition equals about 1 second, but maybe that's the only one that actually works. But then translate that same slide show into QuickTime, and that 1 second turns into a millisecond and the music timing doesn't work at ALL.

I think the solution is to do your slide show in some other program, like iMovie, where the timing is much more controllable.

Or, you could do it like I did, and spend HOURS (actually DAYS) fiddling with the slide transitions and timing so it would be perfect.

Problem with this is that when the conditions are differnt on the mac, let's say, when you created it, you had five other programs running and the internet turned on. Well, that slows things down just enough to mess with the music timing of the slides, so if you want to show the slide show with nothing else running, you have to CREATE it with nothing else running.

One more thing I've discovered: if you want to show the slide show using a projector, you'll need to create it with the projector on, if you're like me and the music timing is critical.

I don't like the picture quality you get in iMovie, so I'd rather deal with the iPhoto frustrations. But I sure do wish they'd fix it so you could have more control over transitions and music timing.

David, how are you transferring the data to the other computer? I need to do that too.

Hope this helped some. Maybe somebody else has some better ideas for you.
--Julie

Jan 29, 2006 6:11 AM in response to JulieWShaver

hello

thanks for your reply Julie. I'm just relieved to know that this issue is not just a problem with my computer.
wow, I had never thought that the timing of the transitions would be influenced by how much one's operating system is running! However, I just ran my show again without other apps running and the slides did run a little faster I think?
After much frustration and experimented, I discovered that a 5 second images actually stays on my screen for 7.5 seconds. I then cut the 10 music tracks accordingly and it ran pretty close (off by a couple of seconds at the end with 120 images).
Now, I'm really hoping that my father's iMac will play the show at approximately the same speed!! I guess if the images are running too fast, I'll just throw on some more applications!
He also has a newer version of iMac (not the very latest with the Intel chip), and I'm guessing that it has iPhoto 5 as I believe one can only buy iPhoto 6 seperately with iLife? Perhaps, iPhoto 6 has remedied this problem?
If all else fails, I plan on running the show manually. playing the music seperately and advancing the images by hand.

cheers
davido

Jan 29, 2006 6:30 AM in response to davido67

hello

sorry Julie, I forgot to answer your question re: transferring data.
I plan on transferring images by CD and just dumping them into iPhoto. the music track into iTunes. I'll then have to re-program a new slide show using my notes for the one on this computer. It shouldn't be too difficult as this is a fairly simple show with only a few shorter transitions and a couple of Ken Burns effects.
I'm also thinking I should number all the images in order as iPHoto has the tendency to scatter everything in library.

cheers
davido

imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jan 29, 2006 9:35 AM in response to davido67

I STARTED my slide show in my iPhoto I had on my work Mac (G5 tower). And my favorite tech guy simply transferred my library to my new home machine, an iMac G5. The slide show was perfect. I didn't have to recreate it!

On my slide show, the music timing is critical because the image that comes on screen, in a lot of places, "goes with" whatever the lyrics are, and so even a half second off, and all the thought that I put into ordering and timing the photos the way I did won't make a bit of sense.

I had to duplicate my slide shows and change the timing based on various Mac conditions. So when I show it sans projector, it's called "Directory Slideshow" and when it will be projected, (and the timing significantly changed) it's called "Projected Directory slideshow."

I found the music so hard to control in iPhoto, that I turn the music on separately in iTunes, then start the slide show, because, for example, the crossfades between songs DON'T WORK in regular iPhoto settings, but they do if you set the iTunes preferences that way. (I didn't want 3 second gaps between songs, and some songs would have gaps no matter what I did in iPhoto. I think the solution to that one is to combine CD tracks, but I haven't been able to master that one yet.)

I should be getting my new external 100GB drive tomorrow. I'll let you know if the copying of my Library from my home Mac, onto the external, and then uploaded on my work Mac WORKS, meaning the slide shows would not have to be recreated. (I'm doing that for backup purposes. My main slide show has 387 slides in it. I don't want to recreate that.)

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jan 30, 2006 12:33 PM in response to JulieWShaver

hello

Julie, I hope your copying to your work mac went well.
I used a program called AUDACITY for putting together the music. It's a fantastic music editing program which allows you piece together different tracks of music, create fade in and fade outs, use equalization to get all the tracks around the same volume. All this and it's free!! It has a slight learning curve and not the best instruction manual, But it just takes a little practise.
I put together 10 different tracks of music (with fade in and outs) and created one 'song' and then put that into iTunes. Ofcourse, it took me almost ten tries to get the right timing but you can go back to the original and actually move the tracks earlier or later before you create the final mix.
It's also a great program for creating CD's from vinyl.
My Slide show is basically done and it runs great (with PS turned off). I just hope that the slides don't run too fast on my dad's iMac.
Do you think the size of the image files make any difference with timing of the slide transitions? Most of mine are around 10-12 MB.

cheers
david



imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jan 30, 2006 5:25 PM in response to davido67

Hi David,
The transfer was perfect! (That is, after it took me three hours to figure out how to format the new external drive for the mac.) I transferred my entire 6.5 GB iPhoto Library to the external drive, went to work, and then renamed the old Library on my work mac "iPhoto Library x" (just to give it a different name). I then copied the Library from home into the Pictures folder of my G5 tower at work, launched iPhoto, and the new Library came up with my slide shows and books I created at home all there. Transitions work just fine, and run at the same speed as they do on my iMac G5.

I'm so glad to have now TWO backups of my slide show, should anything happen to my iMac. Whew. Hope you are as successful!

Next project: surmounting those music editing problems I have! Thanks for the tips!
--Julie

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jan 30, 2006 5:38 PM in response to JulieWShaver

Oh, forgot to mention: all of my photos average in the 2 to 3 mb range, which is smaller than yours. I am getting the exact same transition times that you are talking about, so I'm thinking maybe file size doesn't have that much to do with it. I think, too, that when music is playing on the mac, iPhoto is somehow smart enough to attempt to transition the slide "on the beat" or as near to it as it can discern because WHOA, I tried playing my slide show music on a cd on a COMPLETELY separate system the other day, and my transitions were totally messed up. I've noticed that on my fast tunes (with the music running through the mac), the transitions move roughly as fast as they should, while transitions linger on those slow songs.

Maybe it's my imagination though. Any thoughts?

Jan 31, 2006 7:12 AM in response to JulieWShaver

hello

Julie,I am very glad to hear that you are getting the exact same transition times! Is that on both of your computers? This would mean that the timing is mostly dependant on iPhoto itself and not the operating system (or hardware).
As far as iPhoto attempting to transition on the beat, you might be right. I have had the feeling that some slides may be up very slighly longer or shorter than others. Sometimes when i've made slight adjustments a certain syncronicity between a song lyric image won't line up and yet another a few slides later another 'line up' will remain the same. But, after watching the show so many times with many changes it really is hard to tell.
I read on another post that you have a digital projector. do you have any hints or anything I should be aware of using a projector with an iMac or with iPhoto.

david


imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 1, 2006 6:18 PM in response to JulieWShaver

David,
I do believe you and I are on the same wavelength as concerns music timing. What you said about adjusting one slide in one place not causing another slide later to have moved is exaclty the same experience I've had.

By the way, my test audience loved the slide show. It went better than I had even expected. The projector mirroring the screen was flawless, or nearly flawless. I projected the slide show on a big screen in a big dark room, attached external speakers, and wow, the show blew everyone away.

I am so pleased, and so relieved. I'm still afraid to upgrade to iPhoto 6 though. Even though I have two backups of my iPhoto 5 library (with slide shows intact), I'm afraid to mess with my system until AFTER the big event.

On the other hand, I'm DYING to make some calendars!!! Ugh! Call me chicken.

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 1, 2006 9:54 PM in response to JulieWShaver

By the way, I started my slide show today with 8 or 9 other apps running, and the transition of slides was MUCH slower. By the 4th slide, I'd say the program was already off by 10 seconds. So it DOES have something to do with drawing available power from the system. I rebooted the mac and started the slide show with no other apps running, and the transitions were back to normal. Whew.

Feb 3, 2006 5:13 AM in response to JulieWShaver

OK, I'll keep that in mind when I run my show tomorrow night! I'm really hoping that if my father has iPhoto 6 (I can't ask him because the show is a surprise) it runs the same as iPhoto 5! I'll let you know how it goes.
Also, in case you don't know, if you want to sort photos by title (in View) and your pictures are numbered, it will not work.
I numbered all my pictures and hoped that when I transfer them into the other iMac (using Add to Library), I could sort them by title. Well, iPhoto apparently can't order numerically. So, I had to re-name the pictures as A, AA, AAA, AAAA, B, BB, BBB and so on. This way I'll be able to sort them by title.

wish me luck,
david


imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 3, 2006 11:26 AM in response to davido67

Good luck!

By the way, I put my pictures through Photoshop before bringing them into iPhoto, and I name them there, based on the content of the photo. Then when I put the library into the other mac, everything worked just fine. No need to reorder or re-do anything. Slide show ran as smoothly as it did on the creating mac. All I did was click "play."

Sounds like a really nice surprise! Wish I could see it.
Knock em dead!
--Julie

Feb 6, 2006 8:29 AM in response to JulieWShaver

The show was a success!!
Thankfuly, my father has the same version of iPhoto on his iMac. However, I think his has a slightly faster processor than mine, therefore , the pictures ran slightly faster. I had to add 6 seconds throughtout the show so that a couple of key point would line up near the end.
The projector we rented worked fine. unfortunatly I didn't have enough time to fool around with it and discover the brightness/ contrast options. the images appeared slightly dark with a lttle too much contrast. But, no one would have notices but me, everyone really enjoyed it.
I'm still not taken with the digital projector over the traditional slide projector. The saturation and color just doesn't compare with old fashioned slides. Mabey I just need more experience with one?

david

imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 6, 2006 10:46 AM in response to davido67

Hi David,
Glad to hear it went well! Congratulations!

I had a problem with my projector's settings at first too. The whites, especially, were so blown out that my pictures looked horrible. In fact, it took me several days to figure out the problem, but now that it's all worked out, the pictures look ALMOST as good as they do on my 20" flat panel iMac screen. When I say "almost as good," the differences seem to show up mostly in the reds now. There is a touch too much red, which is not noticeable until a picture comes up that has a bright blue sky and a few puffy white clouds. The clouds will have a tinge of red to them that isn't visible on the mac screen. That's the only place I can tell any difference in color and saturation whatsoever. If I turn down the red, other problems creep in, so I guess I'll have to live with bleeding clouds. It's really not so bad. It's actually growing on me, that bleeding cloud thing.

Again, glad to hear the transfer to the other mac went reasonably smoothly.
--Julie

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

20" iMac G5 2.1 GHz PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.4)

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