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Backup, restoring, formatting info

Some starting out information


I created this post to inform others of the various and essential ways to restore your machine, data, create backups and so forth.

10.6 and 10.7 are mostly covered with information current as of Oct 4, 2011 and subject to human error and change.


Only conduct any actions here if your prepared to take action on your own, the risk is yours, if not please seek assistance of qualified professional data recovery experts. Any product or site mention/link is purely for assistance purposes, doesn't represent a endorsement by me or Apple. Legalese blah.



Having many separate hardware copies


...of your data is essential, as the OS and programs can be replaced, but not your personal files (normally kept in your User folders of Music, Documents, Pictures, Sites, Movies etc.)


Apple currently doesn't supply much in the way of data recovery services, it's on YOU to make sure you have many copies of your personal data and perhaps many ways to restore your machine to a functional state.



There are three basic primary forms of backup and restore methods used on Macs, no one way is perfect, so a combination of ways may be better suited for your needs, but redundancy of methods and backups is the key.



1: TimeMachine Drive - which is a rotating in time image of your boot drive contents. If you remove something from your boot drive, eventually it will be removed from TimeMachine drive as well. TimeMachine drives cannot be booted from and can only restore. This is a very good basic option for most new to computers users as it's all automated (as long as the drive is connected) and gives "undelete" ability. It's not a complete solution and that's what the next two options are for.


Please, for your own sake if you don't have any backup plan or don't undestand geek speak, at least connect a new external drive and let automatic TimeMachine popup do it's buisness.



From here on out everything TimeMachine, including restoring from a TM drive, I point you to our resident expert Pondini and his web page.


http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/Home.html



The steps here below out are a bit more advanced, but if you master them you will be in control of your computer and can save yourself.



2: Data / Storage Drives - these are drives that basically act as holders of data you wish to store, they don't do anything but hold your personal files in a permanent fashion unless you remove it. These are what one would use if their primary boot drive on their computer is getting full, since TimeMachine is a self rotating image, that can't be used for permanent or extra storage space. And clones are bootable images of the current boot drive, so they are subject to change as well. For all intensive purposes if you want to make sure your data doesn't disappear, to hold your personal data while your wiping your entire boot drive of all data and restoring OS X completely (aka "fresh install method"), then you use plain jane storage drives and maintain two separate hardware backups of your data at all times.



3: Hold the option key bootable Clone drive- these are (almost) exact images of your OS X partition and it's contents. The advantage with clones is in case your internal drive fails to boot, either for software or hardware reasons, you can boot from a clone, perform data recovery, drive repair and most of all get online, get help, and use your computer like almost nothing happened. In other words your life doesn't immediately stop to address a failed computer, you can in most cases continue working and resolve the issue later, or in the case of a software issue, just reverse clone form the latest clone image.


You can keep "states" of your OS X partition in a more permanent fashion unlike TimeMachine. For instance if your considering on upgrading to a new OS X version and not sure it will work, you can fall back onto the previous version of OS X at any time provided you made a clone first. Think of a clone as moving all your software to another piece of hardware and everything is almost exactly as it was before. Clones are the preferred method to upgrading to a new internal drive of perhaps larger capacity or speed.


Because of differences in computer hardware, you can't use a clone created on one Mac on another type of Mac. Only the same exact model can be perhaps be imaged to other Mac's. If your thinking this would be a nice way to pirate software, forget it. Each Mac has a ID associated with along with other identifying information.


Cloning software most Mac users use is Carbon Copy Cloner, (first and totally free, donations accepted) or Superduper (part free, part payware)



Drive size for clones: equal too or larger than the drive you intend to clone. If your going to upgrade the internal drive, then naturally one that matches or exceeds the new internal drive so you can use it as a clone afterwards. Best to clone to a larger drive than the original, as your data could exceed the smaller capacity drive.



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Drive formatting


Drive formatting is IMPORTANT and needs to be performed before a drive is used for the first time. Doesn't matter what it's used for a wrongly formatted drive can cause trouble later down the road if you don't understand drive maps and formatting. Apple's Disk Utility is the program used to format drives on a Mac, you can find it in the Applications/Utilities folder.


Partition Maps


These are roadmap instructions to how many partitions (separate areas on the physical drive) there are and what format they contain. Unfortunately not all operating systems can read others partition map schemes. So when one gets a NEW drive, it has to be completely erased and formatted to meet the partition map needs of the operating system and/or firmware used on the computer.


For instance Mac's need a GUID Partition Table (GPT), Windows uses a Master Boot Record (MBR), Linux uses either and reads anything.


Mac's can use a MBR as it can read some Windows drive formats, trouble is you won't be able to boot from any partition or drive with OS X on it without a GPT.


Since most drives come from the factory formatted MBR with a Fat32 (MSDOS) drive format, in order to use the drive on a Mac you need to format it GPT and OS X Extended (Journaled) (aka HFS+) in Apple's Disk Utility before using it.


If you place data on the drive and then realize it's the wrong partition map scheme and need to change it, then all the data off all the partitions on the entire drive must be removed first.


If you place data on a partition and you need to format it differently, you need to get the data off only that partition your going to reformat.



Current drive formats - there are many different formats how data is placed on the drive, and a drive can have many partitions each with a different format!


Windows currently uses:


NTFS - used primarily for the operating system, but external drives can also be formatted this way


FAT32 (MSDOS in Apple's Disk Utility) this is a universal format between PC's and Macs, but limited to 4GB file sizes.


exFAT a new patented pending format both Mac's and PC's can currently read/write, it can have files in excesses of 4GB in size.


(if you have Windows XP, a free exFAT download from Microsoft is available, just search for it)



Mac's OS X currently uses:


HFS+ (OS X Extended Journaled) required to boot OS X. All new Mac's come formatted this way, and perhaps some drive sold at Apple.


FAT32 (MSDOS) file exchange with PC's to 4GB sized files. Most drives sold in regular computer and office stores come formatted this way for PC's. (with a MBR)


exFAT - file exchange with PC's over 4GB sized files (Mac's pre 10.6.5 won't have exFAT)




Linux currently uses EXT4 for itself, can read/write anything.



Software called MacDrive installed on a Windows machine can read Apple's HFS formats.


Software like Tuxera, 3GNTFS, Paragon, allows Mac's to read the NTFS format of Windows drives.


It is PREFERRED not to rely upon third party software for reading drive formats, rather use a interchangeable format like FAT32 or exFAT instead.



When formatted a drive for both PC and Mac use, it's perhaps easier to format it on Windows into FAT32 or exFAT first, so you get the MBR, then confirm it works, then on the Mac before using it to transfer vital data over long distances.



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Apple's Disk Utility allows one more partition to be carved out from the bottom clear existing OS X partition, you will learn all about this if you going the BootCamp route with Windows. I don't advise messing around unless you made backups of your data first.


When Bootcamp creates the Window partition it formats it MSDOS (FAT32) which you have to change to NTFS on the Windows installer disk before you can install Windows. Make sure you printout and read the Bootcamp instructions and have the Mac hardware drivers on hand.


If your machine keeps booting into Windows and gets stuck, simply hold the option key upon boot to select OS X and set OS X as the start up disk in System Preferences.


https://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/



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Restoring OS X 10.5 10.6. 10.7 - simple overwrite OS method


Ok, you got a OS X problem and you want to just reinstall OS X (and bundled Apple programs) without touching anything else, not your files or most third party programs.


1: Backup your user files via drag and drop methods of your User folders (Music, Documents, Pictures, Movies etc) regardless to a data drive as outlined above, as the problem you may be having could be more serious, like a hardware or firmware issue. Disconnect all other drives.


2: For Snow Leopard and Leopard - stick the original grey disk (free iLife included) into the computer and reboot holding down c, simply reinstall OS X (archive and install for Leopard)


If you upgraded Snow Leopard over Leopard, then your going to be using the white Snow Leopard Retail disks (no free iLife) and it naturally won't replace iLife, just OS X.


3: For Lion, you need a reliable, fast Internet connection. Hold Command r and boot into Lion Recovery, get online and simply reinstall Lion. You'll have to use the AppStore to download iLife.


4: Once you have done this and rebooted normally, immediately Software Update under the Apple Menu so your Apple programs match your files (like iPhoto Library and iTunes Library that were changed with later versions)


5: Any programs you bought via App Store can be redownloaded by holding option key and clicking on Purchases.


Note: if you have installed root level system third party software, it may not function anymore, simply reinstall it from original sources.



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Restoring OS X - 10.6 "fresh install method"



1: Backup your user files via drag and drop methods of your User folders (Music, Documents, Pictures, Movies etc) regardless to a data drive as outlined above, as the problem you may be having could be more serious, like a hardware or firmware issue. Disconnect all other drives.


2: Hold c and boot off the 10.6 grey disks (or if you want the free iLife on the 10.5 disks, then that first, then upgrade to 10.6) and use Disk Utility under the Utilities menu to erase the internal drive media.


Select media on left, click partition, click big box, select 1 partition, option GUID, format OS X Extended (journ) give it the same drive name as before, (to match pathnames used in your iTunes and other files to locate where music is stored on the drive) Format OS X Extended journaled click Apply and confirm.


Optional for privacy/security or for all new drives for better data retention. Select the drive, erase tab, erase>Security option Zero all data. Takes about a hour per 500GB.


3: When finished quit and install OS X Snow Leopard and reboot and see the familiar Welcome to Mac animation. (if you shutdown after installing, this makes a nice way to treat the new owner of your used Mac and lets then go through the setup process.)


4: When creating the new user, use the same user name as before, this again, like the same drive name, matches the pathnames in files to locate other files on your drive when you return your files. Use a different password naturally.


5: Next you install all your programs next, the more the better as they will run faster on hard drives if they are placed further near the front of the drive.


6: Lastly hook up your external data drive and move just the contents of your Music, Document, Pictures etc folders right back into their respective new folders on the new configuration.


Note: If you used this method to downgrade from Lion. It's possible your iPhoto and iTunes Library (and other Apple programs) may have altered their respective files. You need to be careful replacing the old copies with the newer altered versions. You can right or option click on iPhoto Library to "show package contents" to find the folder with the originals and re-import into the older iPhoto version format. For iTunes, the originals are in the folder, if you have copy of the older iTunes Library files, then replace with those. Ideally it's best to first make a Snow clone first BEFORE messing with Lion.


Note: Only a Mac that had Snow previously can be downgraded from Lion back to Snow, not a Mac that had Lion from the factory (some under certain circumstances)


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Restoring OS X - 10.7 - wipe and install


1: Backup your user files via drag and drop methods of your User folders (Music, Documents, Pictures, Movies etc) regardless to a data drive as outlined above, as the problem you may be having could be more serious, like a hardware or firmware issue. Disconnect all other drives.


2: You have two options depending upon if your Mac had Snow Leopard previously. If it did, then you can go the above Restoring OS X - 10.6 "fresh install method" and then make a clone, then update to Lion via the AppStore with a very strong, reliable, fast Internet connection.


3: Your Mac came with OS X Lion, then you hold Command R and boot into Lion Recovery Partition, get online, use Disk Utility to Erase (and Zero if needed) the Lion OS X Partition, then quit and simply reinstall Lion from the menu.



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Restoring OS X 10.7 (new drive, total reformat method)


1: Backup your user files via drag and drop methods of your User folders (Music, Documents, Pictures, Movies etc) regardless to a data drive as outlined above, as the problem you may be having could be more serious, like a hardware or firmware issue. Disconnect all other drives.


This method is for restoring Lion drive completely, including restoring a Lion Recovery Partition and reestablishing a GUID Partition Table (GPT) on the drive for machines that don't have Lion Internet Recovery. This could occur if the hard drive was replaced, the GPT got messed up, more than 2 multi-partition machines or whatever.


As you know Apple only allows one more partition to be created using Disk Utility, any more partitions on the drive require a complete GPT reformat.


2: You need to have a copy of your Lion Recovery Partition on a 1GB or larger USB stick created first using the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant software from Apple that copies YOUR PRESENT Lion Recovery Partition. So that means you need to have this made as soon as possible in advance or your going to have to buy the $69 Lion USB installer if you can't do the 10.6 to 10.7 upgrade method.


Lion Recovery Disk Assistant.


You must first FORMAT the USB GPT and OSX Extended (journ) in Disk Utility before using the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant.


https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1433



3: Stick the USB in, reboot the machine holding option key and get online, use Disk Utility to format the drive


Select media on left, click partition, click big box, select 1 partition, option GUID, format OS X Extended (journ) give it the same drive name as before, (to match pathnames used in your iTunes and other files to locate where music is stored on the drive) Format OS X Extended journaled click Apply and confirm.


Optional for privacy/security or for all new drives for better data retention. Select the drive, erase tab, erase>Security option Zero all data. Takes about a hour per 500GB.


4: Formatting the drive like this will rebuilt the GPT if it was broken. Reinstall Lion from the menu and it will install Lion Recovery Partition and Lion at the same time.


If you have one of those new Mac's with Lion Internet Recovery, it's built into the firmware, so after a new drive install, rebooting should start the whole process automatically.



5: If you have a clone of OS X Lion previously made, then simply option boot from it and reverse clone it onto the OS X Lion Partition. When you clone 10.7 (and only 10.7) it just clones the OS X Lion Partition. Not the Lion Recovery Partition. That's why you need to reinstall the Lion Recovery Partition first (steps 1-4 above) then replace the Lion configuration with the previous cloned version.. You can choose to reverse clone the Lion Partition only, the machine will work without Lion Recovery Partition, but you may have need of it one day.



6: If you don't have a previous clone of your 10.7 OS X partition then when creating the new user, use the same user name as before, this again, like the same drive name as before, matches the pathnames in files iTunes uses to locate other files on your drive when you return your files. Use a different password naturally.


7: Next you install all your programs next, the more the better as they will run faster on hard drives if they are placed further near the front of the drive.


8: Lastly hook up your external data drive and move just the contents of your Music, Document, Pictures, Movies etc folders right back into their respective new folders on the new configuration.


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MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), 17" i7, XP, Vista, 7, Linux(s)

Posted on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 AM

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Dec 1, 2011 4:37 AM in response to ds store

ds store, hello,


I have been studying your post on Backup, Restoring and Formatting, under the sub-heading of 'Clone and Reverse Clone'.


There I find the advice:

"Cloning back and forth is not for SSDs x x x".


As you will know, my MacBook Air uses an SSD hard drive. Incidentally, I built my old Windows computer with an SSD hard drive, and I am aware of the shortcomings of SSD drives relative to wear restrictions.


Will you kindly expand upon that piece of advice? Do you advise that the SSD not be cloned at all, or, do you advise that cloning can be done but not too frequently? And of course, the whole point of making a clone is to write it back onto the SSD, in case of need.


Thank you

roystonfrombrighton.

Dec 5, 2011 10:22 AM in response to ds store

I'm not sure if this is the right discussion to ask this but anyways, what do you have to do if you want to carry out the "Repair Disk" feature in "Disk Utility"? Do you need to back up your hard drive by making a clone of it? Do you run the "Repair Disk" in recovery mode? Once you run the "Repair Disk" feature will you lose any data in your computer?

Dec 5, 2011 1:14 PM in response to Benjamin2203

Benjamin2203 wrote:


I'm not sure if this is the right discussion to ask this but anyways, what do you have to do if you want to carry out the "Repair Disk" feature in "Disk Utility"?

If it's for an external HD, or a different partition on your internal HD, just run it from Disk Utility.


If it's for your OSX volume, you can't repair the volume you're running from (kind of like a brain surgeon operating on himself). You must start up from another source. See #6 in Using Disk Utility, especially the yellow box.


Do you need to back up your hard drive by making a clone of it? Do you run the "Repair Disk" in recovery mode?

You should always do regular backups of your internal HD (and any externals that have data on them). All disk drives fail, sooner or later, and other awful things happen -- hardware failures, lost or stolen laptops; user mistakes; bad software or malware; or the internal HD gets unrepairable directory damage. You already have Time Machine, built-in to OSX. You might want to review the Time Machine Tutorial, and perhaps browse Time Machine - Frequently Asked Questions. #27 in the second link also has some alternatives.


Once you run the "Repair Disk" feature will you lose any data in your computer?

No. That repairs the file system on the disk -- all the various directories, catalogs, etc., that keep track of OSX, your apps, data, etc. It doesn't touch any actual files. If there's damage, and Disk Utility can repair it, you may find lost or damaged files, but they were already lost or damaged.

Dec 5, 2011 2:14 PM in response to Benjamin2203

You can use one that has other data, although there are some downsides. See #3 in Time Machine - Frequently Asked Questions.


If the other data is important to you, you can have Time Machine back it up (if it's in a separate parititon), but that's not very reliable -- when (not if) the drive fails, you risk losing both the originals and the backups.


So it's much safer to use a separate drive. 🙂

Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM in response to ds store

I just purchased a refurbed February 2011 15" 2.3Ghz i7 quad-core MacBook Pro. I went with a refurbed Feb 2011 model because I ultimately wanted to be able to run 10.6.8 for a while longer in addition to 10.7. Before I make any changes to partitions and install multiple OSs I want to be sure I am clear on a few things.


I spent the last week scouring the Apple Support Forums and internet and found mounds of information but in some cases different sources contradict one another so I am hoping to clarify a few things….


ITEM ONE:


Clarification of limitations when booting MacBook Pro from Optical Media.



From ds store post 10-23-11:


"The firmware will not allow you to c or option boot off OS X install disks that are earlier OS X version that the machine originally came with and/or grey disk from another Mac model, or of the hardware drivers are not present on the install disks."



The refurbed MacBook Pro came with Lion installed. I contacted AppleCare, requested and received a replacement copy of the install disk that would have been shipped with the MacBook Pro originally. I confirmed that it is 10.6.6 and that it DOES boot from the install disk and will allow me to install 10.6.6.


(10.6.6 was released on 1-6-11 or about 6 weeks prior to the release of the early 2011 MacBook Pros and would have been shipped with 10.6.6???)


I also understand that my retail copy of Snow Leopard which is 10.6.3 will NOT boot on this MacBook Pro because it is a version of OS X that is earlier than the release date of this particular MacBook Pro.


What I am not clear on… (and this is almost purely a matter of curiosity) is:


whether the 10.6.3 disk won't boot specifically because the firmware on the MacBook Pro looks at the version of the OS and refuses to boot an earlier version.


OR


is it because of hardware drivers that are not present on the 10.6.3 disk that predates the hardware I am attempting to install the OS on???




I also found a post somewhere that indicated that 10.6.3 will not boot because it is confused by the presence of the Lion Recovery HD partition… Is there any truth to that???



Lastly, although future hardware will most likely not come with install disks…


Am I correct in my understanding that the grey install disks that came with hardware in the past ONLY contained the hardware drivers for that particular configuration of hardware and therefore should only be used to boot the specific hardware they came with???


On the other hand, when purchasing versions of OS X that were provided on optical media (not accompanied by hardware) ALL of the hardware drivers for hardware available at that time were included on the optical media and could therefore be used to boot and load onto any approved hardware????


Please let me know if I have this correct or not…


THANKS


John

Jun 25, 2012 11:56 PM in response to ds store

Hi DS may I ask you as you seem extremly knowledgeable about Macs. I have a recently purchased Mac Dest\kyop and am running movies etc shared to my Apple TV 2 but I keep getting memry full messages and my computers speed has slowed down cosiderably. How can I play all my movie and TV show content from a harddrive instead attached to my desk top so i can free up space on my internal hard drive?

Thanks von

Jul 27, 2012 4:57 AM in response to ds store

Hi,

Really appreciate this detailed guideline.

I am new to mac world and last week bought imac late 2009 model with all original grey disks for 10.6.4 and ilife disks.

I wanted to format all prevoius user data so I went to disk utilities and erased all the hard disk. Now whenever I want to install the OS with those grey original 10.6.4 disks, and it starts the setup, select english language and then it says OS X can't be installed on....... Try using time machine backup but when I try to find the backup, it keep searching and does'nt do anything.

And when I bought the machine, it has 10.7.3 I think was installed on that.

I suspect it might be because of downgrading, because someone told me that EFI partition is not letting it downgrade.

But it should must do the original operating system without any problem.

I will appreciate your kind step by step guideline to solve the problem and make it ready working for any OS X.

Thanks

Jul 27, 2012 5:44 AM in response to jsphones

jsphones wrote:


imac late 2009 model with all original grey disks for 10.6.4 and ilife disks.


it says OS X can't be installed on.......


The iMac late 2009 originally came with 10.6.1 machine specific disks.


Those 10.6.4 disks are for Early 2011 Mac's amd are machine specific versions, they have different hardware drivers is why you can't install OS X with them.


You need to get the 10.6.3 white retail disk from Amazon or elsewhere, Apple just stopped selling them a few days ago. Those have the correct drivers for your model of Mac.


You might try calling Apple and see if they will sell you the 10.6.1 machine specific grey/black disks for that Mac, if not you'll have to find the 10.6.3 white disks online and they don't come with the free iLife like the machine specific disks do.


Once you have installed 10.6.3 and upgraded to 10.6.8 via Software Update, you can use Pacifist from CharlesSoft to extract the iLife programs from the 10.6.4 disks you have, since you own the disks your entitled to using the software.


And when I bought the machine, it has 10.7.3 I think was installed on that.


I suspect it might be because of downgrading, because someone told me that EFI partition is not letting it downgrade.


When you erase 10.7 c or option key booted from the 10.6.3 disk, you need to select the entire drive on the left side, (select the drive makers name and size) then that will catch the hidden EFI and Lion Recovery partition, reset your GUID partition table back to 10.6.3 specifications.


How to erase and install Snow Leopard 10.6



BTW this thread is rather old and can't be edited, since this Apple Support has implemented User Tips, which is better.


https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro?view=documents

Jul 27, 2012 12:02 PM in response to jsphones

jsphones wrote:


What if I buy the latest OS X from Apple store and install that?


10.8 will run on late 2009 iMac's, however you need to first install either 10.6 or 10.7 and Software update fully to get the AppStore to download it from.


Now if the machine had 10.7 on it originallly, then you should be able to hold the command r keys down (or option key) while booting and you'll boot Lion Recovery partition where you can erase the Macintosh HD partiton and reinstall 107 form Apple's servers with your AppleID and password (requires a fast reliable Internet connection) once you do this and reboot, then set up OS X, you can log int AppStore and download the 10.8 upgrade.



And what is ilife, is that something must I should have on imac?


iLife is a suit of Apple programs, it's not a must have. You can purchase them from the AppStore once you settled on 10.8 or 10.6


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILife



But since you have the 10.6.4 machine specific disks (from another Mac) you can extract iLife programs from them using Pacifist from CharlesSoft, then Software Update and they will be updated.


http://www.charlessoft.com/

Apr 6, 2013 6:33 AM in response to ds store

Can you help me? Had the old MAC single box/monitor unit in early 90's at my company. Made a sound recording of my then 4 year old son. tTought I had lost it. I came across a diskette that is labeled as the one. When I inserted into my WIN XP PC desktop cabinet diskette reader and clicked on Properties ,it does not register anything or show any size. Perhaps this is good as it may mean it is formatted for Apple, again implying I may have found my sound file.


Do you have any suggestions? I can find someone in my business community who has a modern day MAC but they won't have diskette reader.

TF

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