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  • Rob A. Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Now that sounds like a sales person talking

     

    No hate at all ... I'll try the 4S just like I tried all prior iPhones, but it needs to have a compelling reason (over my HTC EVO 4G) for me to NOT return it.  Based on the keynote, I'm not seeing that reason.  However, if the return policy is the same as iPhone 4 (30 days and contract is cancelled without penalty) then I'll certainly try it out -- always good to get first hand experience.

     

    I follow the typical smartphone user, I upgrade every 18-24 months, earlier if there is a really good reason to do so.

     

    Cheers, Rob.

  • fatfilipino Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hahaha, ok you got me, sales man.. but not for apple. I'm a defender of honesty and fairness. I don't feel peoples bashing because of other peoples expectations mislead, isn't fair to apple. Not that youre bashing, but in general. No ones compelling you to switch to iOs. That's your decision, but again, it's the number one selling smartphone in the world, with the highest customer satifaction rating.. (salesman again, sorry) ... I have the feeling you'll regret any ill words against the 4s, but that's gonna be a good thing for ya... ok cheers

  • Rob A. Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Just heard Steve Jobs died today, out of respect for his efforts, I will buy and keep the 4S.  Tis a sad day :(

  • fatfilipino Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    he would have wanted it that way :(

  • tal1971 Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)

    I'd considered the Galaxy S2 myself, but everyone I have asked about them, tell me the battery life is pretty bad. I've been told that if you hammer the S2, you are lucky to get it to last a day before going flat, a lighter bit of usage you will get a day, and perhaps into the second day before going flat.

     

    Has I mentioned above, I had considered the S2 (or some other high end Android handset). But the more I researched the various things about Android, the more I became unsure if I would like it from been an iPhone/iOS user for over 2 years.

     

    With the iPhone, everything is done with iTunes (this is maybe not ideal for some people), but I like the fact that everything is done under one roof with iTunes, for example.

     

    If I want to update the software on my iPhone, I simply connect my iPhone to my computer and iTunes notifies me of a software update, and from there I can update the software. With Android, (unless you get a Google branded handset, such as the Nexus) you basically have to wait until the Android software update goes to the various phone manufacturers, they test it with their skins/interfaces, then its upto the network operators when it gets pushed out. For me, Android is too fragmented, by this I mean. There are various Android phones out there of varying power and performance, now some of these apps will work fine on a high end Android handest, but may not on a cheaper Android handset. Then you have the manufacturers skins which the manufacturers insist on putting on top of the Android software. This can make going from one brand of Android handset to another confusing, because things are different on one handset to another. With iOS/iPhone, anyone who had a 3G iPhone for example, could pick up a iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S and basically know where everything was, and where to go to go, to do the thing they were wanting to do.

     

     

    Yes, with Android apps, a lot are free, but a lot of the Android apps, are not as good as the iOS equivalents. And there can sometimes be security issues too with Android apps, due to them not been subjected to the strict security vetting that Apple does with their apps. I am a cautious guy, and I would always be wondering if I had Android, if the app was doing something undesirable without my knowledge, this is something I do not have to worry about with the iPhone/iOS apps.

     

     

    I have owned to iPhone 4 since launch day, and its never missed a beat. When I saw the the 4S, I was expecting a bit more, such as a larger screen, and I was initially going to give the 4S a miss and wait for the next generation iPhone. But I've decided to get the 4S on launch day for the following reasons:

     

    1: I have a friend who is/has wanted to buy my iPhone 4 for a long time, and he is willing to give me £300 for my iPhone 4, which is in mint like new condition.

     

     

    2: I am getting to the point now where I am getting close to running out of space with a 16 GB, so a 32 GB iPhone is going to be needed.

     

     

    3: I am eligable for an upgrade next month because my 18 month contract is nearly up, so I will only need to pay a very small amount to end my contract that little bit earlier.

     

     

    4: The iPhone 4S, will be I'm expecting, to be the same price has the iPhone 4 was with my mobile operator, which is £330 on a 18 month contract. So this means that I will only have to put £30 to out of my own pocket to get double to storage capacity I have currently and also get the improved specs of the 4S and a brand new device too. £30 to get the above is worth it in my opinion.

     

     

    On the subject of selling smartphones. The thing I always find with iPhone's is they have a good second hand value. With Android, with there been a lot more models and Android tend to bring new models out more often than Apple, Android tends to not have has good a second hand value has the iPhone.

     

     

    At the end of the day, no one smartphone is the best. Its whichever has less cons than the others, which has features that you prefer more than the other, that's the way I make my choice. I write down on a piece of paper, the pros and cons for the devices I am struggling to decide on. Whichever has the more cons is the one I do not choose.

  • ladytonya Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    The battery life is going to be bad on any device that runs Flash, it's a resource hog and I don't want it on my mobile devices! I have a rooted Nook Color that will run Flash, I ran it once and it ate my battery, promptly disabled it and haven't looked back.

     

    LTE and WiMax are two different systems, Verizon has LTE and Sprint has WiMax in areas that offer 4G. I have kind of wondered if Apple's hesitance to include 4G might be partially because of the lack of a industry standard. Of course I never thought we'd see a GSM/CDMA iPhone so I guess I can be wrong (doesn't happen often!).

     

    I want an iPhone 4S. I want the better camera (I don't own a digital camera, take all my pics with the phone), the faster processor, and the improved antenna. I also like what I've seen in Siri.

  • tal1971 Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)

    With the recent news regarding updates to flash, 

     

    'With Flash Media Server 4.5, media publishers can extend their already broad mobile reach via Flash-enabled devices, with the new ability to deliver video content to Apple’s iPad and iPhone devices, enabling them to reach the widest audience possible'.

     

    http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20110907007466/en/Adobe/IBC/Flash-Media-Ser ver

     

     

    So in theory, iOS users should be seeing les and less 'you need flash player installed' messages in the future.

     

    It makes sense really to reach has wider audience has you can with video content, especially when you take into account the massive amount of people who surf with the iPad and or iPhone.

  • vazandrew Level 6 Level 6 (17,035 points)

    This requires the developers to buy into that

  • Matrix X2 Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    What iPhone do you have now? If you have an iPhone 4... it is not worth it. If you have an iPhone 2G, 3G or 3GS, then it is worth the upgrade.

  • Rob A. Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    I've had all versions of the iPhone (2G thru to 4), I returned the 3GS as it wasn't sufficiently better than the 3G.  Returned the 4 because of the Antenna problem.  So I still "had" my 3G, HOWEVER, after installing iOS4 on my 3G it rendered the phone almost useless with all kinds of stutters and problems that I didn't have with iOS3.  So I basically moved to an HTC EVO 4G with Sprint.  About the only thing I really missed was how well my iPhone worked with iTunes.

     

    I've pre-ordered the 4S thru Sprint and have a UPS tracking number that says it will arrive this Friday (Oct 14th).  I got the 32GB black version.

     

    To be honest, I'm going to miss my HTC EVO 4G and I made this choice out of respect to Steve Jobs ... probably not the smart decision and more an emotional one.

     

    As for lack of Flash support and/or Silverlight support (and many other plug-ins), which will impact many of the things I like to do with a mobile device, the issue is really Apple's not anyone elses ... I'm not sure why people seem to think "they" have to change to be able to work with Apple iOS (their same plug-ins work fine on OSX)??  iOS should be "secure" enough that it should NOT need to worry about what Flash or any 3rd party plug-in does ... and I believe that iOS is secure against rogue plug-ins ... the real problem is that it circumvents iOS application process and all the money those developers pay towards this "exclusivity" ... that's the real issue, it's not a technical one at all, it's about money and control.

     

    I personally don't think Apple can sustain this "closed" environment and try to leverage other companies to comply to Apple's rules ... the global internet just doesn't work that way, never has and never will ... it's a open environment.

     

    But think about this, do you really believe that all those other software companies are NOT going to produce 3rd party plugs-in just because they don't work on Apple's devices?  AND, much more importantly, think about all the potentially really cool applications/games, etc. that would never make the light of day because Apple doesn't control them and/or approve of them -- is that really what iPhone users/buyers/customers want?  Or is that what Apple wants?

     

    Rob.

  • fatfilipino Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well for me, the iPhone 4 has never given me problems... have I dropped calls, yes but I think that's an AT&T issue because this year I haven't dropped almost No Calls and I have never had a case or bumper. and I use about 5000 minutes a month because I use it for work too. So... I guess all that technical stuff you mentioned only applies to techy people because in my opinion, the average user doesn't know what flash or silverlight is. all they know is to go on a web site and everything is there and works. most people don't use their phones to browse the Internet for long periods of time, and if they do, it's on a mobile site where that site is phone friendly with all the media ready to viewed or listened to. of course there are sites that don't support iPhones. But I think part of what Apple doesn't want to happen is what's happened to the android  market where some apps work on some devices eventhough they're all android based phones. or some they're made phone specific.    The thinking of Apple is to make things simple for the average user. Of course there's money ties involved, if I were a developer, I'd want to make apps where there's a lot of to sell it to, no matter what platform. it's a business they're running and sometimes they have to make sacrifices to make something else great, which is the user experience.

     

    I really can't wait for my  new iPhone 4S white 32 gb!!! 

  • UK-Max Level 2 Level 2 (285 points)

    Rob A. wrote:

     

     

     

    I personally don't think Apple can sustain this "closed" environment and try to leverage other companies to comply to Apple's rules ... the global internet just doesn't work that way, never has and never will ... it's a open environment.

     

     

    I think there's a basic misunderstanding about what is open and what is closed.  'Flash' is an Adobe-owned piece of software that others rent, at a price. Only Adobe can upgrade or improve it, and only then at a time convenient for them and their shareholders. It is the very epitome of a closed system.

     

    The new, low-powered systems that mobile devices need, such as HTML5 are truly 'Open'. They are not owned by any one corporation, but rather are a collaborative project. You can make your own mind up which of the two, Flash or HTML5 is the better. Of course Flash is the more ubiquitous, but to argue it's merits from an openness standpoint is perverse. 

     

    This doesn't mean, of course, that Apple don't play the closed game sometimes. Every tech company has to protect it's real IP. They key is not to confuse that which is property with that which is part of a toolkit. It would be a bit like protecting the ownership of a hammer and chisel, rather than the sculpture that they contribute to make.

  • igmackenzie Level 4 Level 4 (2,285 points)

    Matrix X2 wrote:

     

    What iPhone do you have now? If you have an iPhone 4... it is not worth it.

    Why do you say that?  Have you tried a 4S against a 4?  I consider it very worthwhile to upgrade my 4 this week. 

    Faster processor, hugely better camera, more storage, SIRI, faster 3G....

    They are similar differences between the iPad 1 and 2, and frankly, there was no competition there.  When I upgraded one of my iPads earlier this year, I had no intention of upgrading my 2nd iPad, but because it felt like a slow brick in comparison to my iPad 2, I upgraded it as well!

  • Biggerbyte Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I'm not sure if the folks talking about flash support for the iPhone are just ignorant to the facts, or trying to deceive, but blaming Adobe for no support is incorrect to the max. The fact is, Steve Jobs and Apple refused, and still refuse to allow the software. There are many reasons why. Too many to get into. Even if you did not already know this, researching Google will give you the facts about this issue. It is not going to happen folks. When you educate yourself on Google, you will completely understand why. I'll give you a hint.. Being a resource hog is not one of them, at least not on a phone that can handle it. The iPhone 4s and 5 should have zero trouble in that regard, but it's not happening.

  • Vossing Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The new test results from AnandTech seem to be promising. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/11/testing_shows_iphone_4s_a5_gpu_clo cked_at_800mhz_73_faster_than_iphone_4.html

    I think I will go for iPhone 4S when it arrives No

    rway the 28th of Oct.