Q: iPad photo sort order changed with iOS 5

censorship!

at least two of my posts are deleted.

great Apple, but by the way, I have most of the posts in my mailbox

Wow this thread has become the Bermuda triangle! Instead of a message from Apple that goes like "Oh thanks for pointing this issue out, we instantly send it to our software development team and we hope to present a fix within a forseeable time frame",  you, dear Apple team now have decided to just block user voices instead of listening to them.

Very interesting conception of user friendlyness. This has been going on for 6 months, with zero reaction from Apple.

So:

I have started several threads in photo forums, some big ones, and have contacted a computer magazine editor to look into the issue. I will write more of those.

Bernie

Sethach, you can contact me under albatros- (at) gmx dot de  I am in Germany!

now it is my turn:

Follow-up:  197969530

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@ alba63,

the address does not work.

you can reach me at my name (at) live dot de

Sorry, it is gmx dot net, not "de"

no further posts in this matter?

strange...

In the meantime I found another weired problem:

at iPhoto I have the thumbs. These pictures are correct, but if I tap on some,

I get a total different picture. This is the case at some pictures in almost every album.

Some at he orig. Foto App, the thumb is correct, but the full size picture is a total different one.

And now it becomes more weired! I have also an iPad 1, which syncs the same pictures.

And here the thumb corresponds with the full size picture. I am asking myself, what apple is doing here,

except deleting crititcal posts.... ;)

There aren't any posts because there isn't much more to say... We're in Apple's hands with this one. I got a reply from PC Magazine telling me...

"This is what Apple has been doing for years—quickly making previous models obsolete so that you have to buy the new one—and it’s part of their secret to success. That said, there are gazillion Photo Apps that work perfectly well on the original iPad. Even Apple singled out Snapseed as the best iPad app of 2011. It’s actually more powerful than iPhoto, though with a less-glitzy interface. You should also check out the very impressive Adobe Photoshop Touch, which can also do a lot more photo manipulation than the new iPhoto."

Now, considering the problems you are experiencing with iPhoto... I don´t know where that leaves us...

By the way, there is a page on THIS SITE explaining the sort order:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4221?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US. They specifically state that the photos are ordered according to EXIF data (date taken, date time digitized, date time original, last modified). So... ??

I know there's been talk of suing, and contacting other publications to get this problem solved.   I can't imagine lawsuits going anywhere, given Apple's deep pockets, and our relatively shallow ones.    Contacting other publications may eventually force Apple's hand to do the right thing., although it could take some time.  But for me, $4.99 solved the problem.

My beef has been that albums are not sorted in alphabetical order, as they were  in ios prior to version 5.  I haven't paid  any attention to the sort order within an album, so I can't speak to that, although I believe that the two are connected.

But with the purchase of iPhoto,my problem has disappeared.  Photo albums in iPhoto ARE stored in alphabetical order by album name, as they were in the free Photos App before ios5.  The sequence within an album has also changed, so perhaps this is solved as well.   So while fighting Apple on this issue may be the "right" thing to do, it just isn't worth a lot of effort for me, when I can spend five dollars, solve the issue, and get some nice editing functions to boost.

Note:  The sort order on Apple TV is, of course, unchanged and incorrect, but hopefully Apple will fix this, or make iPhoto available there.

Hello kreisman,

iPhoto does not help an appleTV (you mention it) and it does not help on an ipad 1. There are still millions of these out there.

But even iPhoto has a problem. As i described before, in some albums the thumbs are correct, but if you click on it you get a total different picture. No idea, where it comes from.

In addition, the iPhoto often comes with "updateing Mediatheak" which last very long...

Until Apple fixes these bugs that seem to affect not only the Photos App, Photo Manager Pro ($2.99) did the trick for me. It is actually a very good App: it does everything the Photos App should do but can't. You can create folders and sub folders, order by name, date, or simply by dragging and dropping. You can copy, paste, delete, move from one folder to another, transfer to and from a computer or another iOS device. You an even chose the photo to use as the cover image for every folder... The interface looks good.  Bye bye Photos App.

In my case all photos were a mess - until today: I shot some pictures in the park and transferred them on my iPad when I got home. And miraculously they were all perfectly in order...

I was baffled and started trying to find out what went differently. Well, and now after hours, I believe that the reason (in my case at least) might be following: The albums that were messed up consisted of photos from different cameras. When I uploaded some albums via iTunes which consisted only of images done with my first choice camera all was in order.

To be honest, I don't have any idea why this is as it is. Maybe it helps some of you guys.

Forget my last post. This time I have something that REALLY helped me a lot! The iPad orders photos according to their file name. But not the order "xx (1)" "xx (2)" "xx(3)"... but in the following way: "xx (1)" "xx (11)" "xx (12)" "xx (2)" "xx (22)"...

I downloaded the Amok Exif Sorter (http://www.amok.am/index.php?page=progr&id=9) which gives you the option to rename all files with their capture date and time. ALL my files are in order!

When I import my photos from the cama directly to the iPad, the order is also as it used to be: chronologically correct. The problem is only when importing photo galleries from the computer (Mac or PC) via iTunes. Which is what I do most of the time, because I use the computer as main editing tool, and the iPad as main viewing (and showing) tool.

Which is the weakness of the iPad anyway: communication with the outside world: It is all too complicated, which is also what reviews say.

So, when are you fixing this, Apple?

B.

To angry_phil: I do not understand what that means for normal galleries with files from your camera: they generally have names like "IMG_3547". How would you have to rename the files and what if Apple changes the sort order again one day? Also with galleries of 40 or 80 photos it will be difficult to keep an overview. I have more than 1000 photos on my iPad and will not try to rename them. It will mess up everything - but wait: Apple has already messed up everything in this app!