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Download rates

I've noticed a consistent pattern in download rates on the Core Duo.

On my G4 PB when I download a large file from a site with consistenly fast servers, such as Apple, I get download rates that usually saturate at about 600 kB/sec on my cable modem. The rate will usually stay right there until the end of the download.

On the Core Duo, the rate oscillates. It peaks at 600 kB/sec and then a few seconds later drops to near zero and then peaks at 600 kB/sec. There period of this oscillation is about 7 seconds and this pattern repeats until the end of the download.

Both computers are downloading through the same Airport base station although not at exactly the same time. The net download time for the same file is about double for the Core Duo.

Anybody have similar or different experience?

- gws

iMac Core Duo, Mac OS X (10.4.4), 20"

Posted on Jan 27, 2006 7:09 PM

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Jan 29, 2006 7:31 PM in response to GW Schreyer

Here are the relevant stats:

"WEB100 Enabled Statistics:
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 303.58Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 3.59Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Mac OS X, Architecture = i386, Version = 10.4.4
Java data: Vendor = Apple Computer, Inc., Version = 1.4.2_09

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Cable modem/DSL/T1 link found.
Link set to Full Duplex mode
No network congestion discovered.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.
Web100 reports the Round trip time = 135.76 msec; the Packet size = 1448 Bytes; and
No packet loss was observed.
This connection is receiver limited 88.53% of the time.
This connection is network limited 11.44% of the time.
Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: OFF
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: ON
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: OFF
Information: Network Middlebox is modifying MSS variable"

Jan 29, 2006 7:36 PM in response to GW Schreyer

Stats for the powerpc (20% better than the previous test)

"WEB100 Enabled Statistics:
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 326.17Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 3.48Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Mac OS X, Architecture = ppc, Version = 10.4.4
Java data: Vendor = Apple Computer, Inc., Version = 1.4.2_09

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Cable modem/DSL/T1 link found.
Link set to Full Duplex mode
No network congestion discovered.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.

Web100 reports the Round trip time = 137.69 msec; the Packet size = 1448 Bytes; and
No packet loss - but packets arrived out-of-order 0.27% of the time
This connection is receiver limited 87.22% of the time.
This connection is network limited 12.75% of the time.

Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: OFF
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: ON
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: OFF
Information: Network Middlebox is modifying MSS variable"

Jan 29, 2006 8:16 PM in response to GW Schreyer

GW

I understand the frustration, my point is to show that there might be something else causing the problem.
I know that with computers we can not think linearly.
Some people are reporting problems with QT. I do not have any problems with QT. I was just checking the Apple QT site to view trailers. Not just it works, it does it beautifully.
This is not to invalidate your points, but to make us look somewhere else, maybe.
My iMac has been constantly getting the speeds I've shown you. The G4 got the best one just before I sent the data.

I suggested to someone else I'll suggest it to you, if you want, we can check system against system to see what is going on.

By the way, did you check your console for any info? If not, do it.

Deivy

Jan 29, 2006 8:40 PM in response to GW Schreyer

GW, I've posted some of my hardware setup in here.

Check to see if anything there gets your attention.

By the way Console demands a lot of patience, as I was checking for a website to see if I could stream WMP (I can) I would not get that particular site to work. Checking Console I found:
"Assert failed: /Users/dave/dev/flash/player/FlashPlayer/platform/mac/plugins/../../../core/spl ayer.cpp:21993"

I need the flash player plugin. It is not installed and I do not know if it works on iMac DC.


Deivy

Jan 29, 2006 9:17 PM in response to GW Schreyer

I'm getting lots of rather strange console messages,
but that is not all that unusual. Nothing there
looks like network generated or caused stuff.

I don't any problems with QT either, others say that
it doesn't work.

- gws


It's not QuickTime per se (at least for me and many others) it's QuickTime streaming. Movies loading from Apple's site (or others) are fine but ones that are stream ended up failing. The same stream works perfectly with a PPC Mac running 10.4.4 and QuickTime 7.0.4. Apple tech says there it is a known issue and is being looked at. Oh well....

Jan 31, 2006 5:37 PM in response to GW Schreyer

I have the exact same program with an iMac core duo 17''. The wireless speed is way too slow. Wired it is fine. Through my airport express an internet download goes at 1/100th the wired speed. It is not my airport express because there are a number of laptops Powerbooks and Dells that use the access point with no speed loss. It is only the iMac core duo. I have also gone through all the logical tests of what could cause this, and it all points back to the airport card/drive for the core due. Please let me know if there is a fix for this.

Thank You,
Scott

Jan 31, 2006 7:09 PM in response to Alexander Patterson

I'm not familiar with the Airport Express - does it support wireless security (WEP, WPA etc...) and if so, do you have it enabled? THat may or may not be the issue although in my case, having WPA turned on (I tried two different routers - a D-Link and Belkin) resulted in bandwidth chokes. Ever since turning security off, my bandwidth has returned to normal levels. This problem did not occur on G4's with Airport cards.

I did a web chat with an Apple support agent about this any he wasn't aware of the issue (although is now). Hopefully this issue will be tracked down soon (although using MAC addressing and no SSID broadcast has alleviated my security concerns).

On a side note, the iMac CD still rocks!!! I already have 3 co-workers and a family member (3 of 4 being Windows users) looking to buy one! Good job Apple!

Feb 2, 2006 6:51 AM in response to GW Schreyer

I have a similar problem, but with a twist. I have a new 20" iMac core duo and a new 17" (for work). The 17" wireless connection seems to be working fine, but the 20" connection was running at about 1/5 the speed (comparing download rates). I did not notice any oscillation in the 20" download rate. I have a d-link di-624 router and an airport express extending the network. Airtunes was also really pokey for the 20" but not the 17".

I talked to an apple tech last night and ran the 20" just on the airport express with no problems. Now I have it back on the d-link router with no encryption and updated firmware and it is working fine. The next step is to get the encryption back up. I had WPA-PSK encryption through the router.

The tech could not explain why the 17" and the 20" behaved differently, even though they were sitting side by side.

Feb 2, 2006 8:00 AM in response to pcramer

I don't seem to be having this problem,

over wireless network, netgear router, all laptops and pcs, connected to the network are getting 1200 kps, and 325 kps upload speed.

The new 20" intelimac is getting exactly the same, 1180 and 320. I have tried the speakeasy, and the miranda, miranda was about 5% slower, but I didn't test it on the other devices.

Through the network, so device to device I get about 1-2 mbs.

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