Is iCloud totally worthless?

So...


After 2+ hours of upgrading my iMac, iPad2 and iPhone 4, I find pretty much that iCloud doesn't really work and is totally worthless.


Please correct me if my observations are incorrect:


1) One cannot take text files or MS Office files, and drop them to iCloud. One cannot save them at all if you have a Mac, because Pages in iWork has zero iCloud capability. Which make iCloud totally worthless for native Apple apps.


2) One cannot save PAGES files on an iMac and share them in the iCloud. For the same reason as above


3) One cannot save spreadsheets from Open Office or MS Excel, or even NUMBERS from the iMAC (see 1 and 2 above)


4) There is no support for just dragging and dropping any kind of file to iCloud.



Someone please explain, then, how iCloud is even a willing comparison to Dropbox.

Posted on Oct 13, 2011 10:41 PM

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Oct 22, 2011 5:45 AM in response to HenryS

Well, it works for me if I go to www.icloud.com and log in there - but reports from others seem to indicate that it doesn't work for all. There is no upload/download-option available and to get that, you obviously must have one or more of the iWork-programmes on an iOS-device or activate iCloud from it. All of that isn't clear to me, but if it is so, then it adds to the impression that Macs play second fiddle to the iOS these days.

Oct 22, 2011 6:06 AM in response to aussieguyinnyc

Good points and Apple's attitude towards their faithful ones, is probably one of the main griefs many have had with Apple throughout the years:)

The thing is that Apple doesn't seem to cater as much to us professionals as to their idea of "the rest of us", who are the ones who just want a device which just works out of the box and who will never care much for geeky specs or the possiblity to tweek and fiddle with your devices.

That is why the company seems to ignore the input from more professional users, although we may not be downright geeks. And they definitely have been ignoring the geeky ones or the "hobbyists" as I call them. I suspect that this is the reason for lot of the animosity towards Apple from that lot. And still, when using their products, even the geeks have to admit that they are good.

But nothing is perfect and we are confronted with such things as this iCloud-service - which is very promising, but as long as it leaves Macs and PCs in the cold, it is still lacking. Maybe they are gearing for a future when all devices will be mobile and iOS-like? I guess so.


Your point about re-translating is worth considering and also how their reasoning is based on a different reality than what people encounters out in the big world outside Silicon Valley. High data coast might be one part of it, but having lived and worked in Portugal for many years, and having family in Brazil today, I have often noticed how the reality people live in there, is totally ignored. Many of my friends dream of Macs, iPods and iPads but it can only be a dream. They are not poor but the pricing is way outside anything they can afford. Here in Norway where I live now, these products are expensive but not more than most people can afford them if they really want.


So only the really rich and well-off can realise their dreams about owning an "Apple" in most countries around the world. How does that fit in with the philosophy of making products for the rest of us?

Apple cannot cater to the poor, one might object. No, but I still think that their stance regarding lower priced products (and therefore lower quality) is influenced by the reality the people behind the products live in. To them, the products may be expensive but still affordable.


Well, just a few musings around how the fact that these products are created in one certain corner of the world, affects the products.


To me, the main problems lie in the fact that the only viable alternative is dominated by one company, no matter how much choice you have in the hardware. You are still stuck with Windows. With Apple, you are stuck with both hardware and the OS-software. I still chooses it before having to fiddle with Windows. But I wish there were more choices in this area!


(Yes, we have Linux and we have Solaris and what not, but well...)

Oct 22, 2011 6:21 AM in response to UKenGB

The point is that icloud is supposed to be an intuitive system that just works behind the scenes to keep all of your devices in sync. At the moment it is not.


I don't know about you but the workflow for icloud is absolutely terrible when you add a Mac into the mix. Within the mac pages/keynote interface you can't even click share button to send the documents to icloud - you have to open the webbrowser go to icloud, log in, open the documents section and then drag and drop the document into the browser. A process that becomes even more cumbersome when you start editing the document as it involves redownloading (if you have made any changes using an idevice), editing, reuploading and then getting rid of any extra copies that were created due to this process.


I do not think Apple should get into the dropbox buisiness but at the moment icloud is just another example of why Apple does really well in the hardware / software industry but continues to fail when it comes to online services.

Oct 22, 2011 6:41 AM in response to cndwrld

cndwrld wrote:


The point is that icloud is supposed to be an intuitive system that just works behind the scenes to keep all of your devices in sync. At the moment it is not.


I don't know about you but the workflow for icloud is absolutely terrible when you add a Mac into the mix. Within the mac pages/keynote interface you can't even click share button to send the documents to icloud - you have to open the webbrowser go to icloud, log in, open the documents section and then drag and drop the document into the browser. A process that becomes even more cumbersome when you start editing the document as it involves redownloading (if you have made any changes using an idevice), editing, reuploading and then getting rid of any extra copies that were created due to this process.


I do not think Apple should get into the dropbox buisiness but at the moment icloud is just another example of why Apple does really well in the hardware / software industry but continues to fail when it comes to online services.

Wow, you mean just like MobileMe along with its iDisk works right now.


As someone that has been though the iTools, .Mac and MobleMe transitions from the very beginning it seems that Apple has taken the product MobileMe, which finally has been working perfectly for us, and thrown it away for something half baked.


Apple has thrown away the baby with the bathwater.

Oct 22, 2011 6:47 AM in response to TZ

Well yes and no. I had mobileme but I am not a big fan of the service. The nice thing about mobileme was - IF you had it running and were saving your files to mobileme at least you didn't have to worry about multiple versions of the file and had a backup copy if push came to shove. At the moment I use dropbox (and think that it is a great service). Like I said before I am not looking for Apple to include a service that does everything that dropbox does - and in the future iCloud may intergrate iWork on the Mac - however, the fact that people are having to look outside of Apple to do something that iCloud is supposed to do (sync iWork documents across your devices) tells you something about how well the service actually works. I tend to agree with some of the other posters here - this seems much more of a beta version of the service than Siri does. This is also the service that Apple needs to get right because one of the biggest knocks against them at the moment (whether it is true or false) is the preception that they just don't get cloud computing.

Oct 22, 2011 6:57 AM in response to TZ

By the way - I agee with the last comment you made - the yes and no was about whether I thought iCloud is as good (or as bad) as mobileme. I would say that, at the moment, it is worse. iCloud is free and does some things well but there are too many holes. At least mobileme did all that it was supposed to do, though sometimes badly. At the moment iCloud does not even attempt to do one of the main features the service advertises (and there are only 8 listed on Apple's site) and it cut some things that worked well in mobileme.


It may get better but at the moment it seems to be following the same pattern as the mobileme launch.

Oct 22, 2011 7:00 AM in response to korkyk

Here's thing that seems so obvious to me. Apple has spent untold millions of dollars building this mega datacenter in the southeast that supplies the computing and storage capacity of iCloud.


At the same time, many users who have switched from MobileMe to iCloud miss the functionality and open storage service of MobileMe--iDisk.


Apple now charges for iCloud users who want more storage in the cloud.


So why not allow users to PAY FOR additional cloud storage than can be used any way the user wants? Why does it have to the iCloud way or the highway? Storage in the cloud is storage in the cloud. Why does Apple appear to so much against SELLING me some general cloud storage (like DropBox but which works like iDisk) that I can use any way that I want? How about $1 or $2 per GB of cloud storage per year?


I keep asking myself this and the only answer I can come up with is the same answer for "Why did Apple go from a 3-column Address Book on the Mac to a 2-column, less functional Address Book? It's that Apple is doing everything they can to shove Mac users into an iOS world, whether they want that or not.


Apple CLEARLY has the code base and cloud storage space to be able to sell iDisk-like storage space to Mac users...but they don't. Yeah...I get the message...get on the iOS train or be left at the station. Thank's so much for my Mac loyalty since 1984.

Oct 22, 2011 8:51 AM in response to UKenGB

Looks like there's a few people who are a little dissapointed. You're probably right that I assumed we were not going to loose fuctionality with this so called upgrade but we have. I was able to 'seamlessly' use all my files and pictures on mobile me from both pc/mac/iphone through idisk/mobile me. I have to move my web site now as well. But all that's okay since it's free? I agree with the others that what can and could not be done with icloud was not very clear, maybe that was my fault for not going to these forums etc. It would have been nice if I didn't have to. Apple has always seemed to add features, and they talk about all the new things that the new OS's can do, so I assumed incorrectly. I'm a loyal Apple user - I've used pc's since 1982 and have used Apples since 1984. I bet that's longer than most here.

Oct 22, 2011 9:06 AM in response to Scott Newman

Yeah...I get the message...get on the iOS train or be left at the station.


Macs are the past. idevices are the now and the future ( and the biggest selling items ) .


I prophecy that Mac OS X is going to be replaced very soon with iOS, once touch-enabled iMacs arrive on the scene. If we like this development or not. It is as it is. And others jump the same boat, Windows8 will focus on touch as well as Ubuntu does already. In IT everything changes constantly. Like it or hate it.

Oct 22, 2011 9:22 AM in response to Scott Newman

Scott Newman wrote:


Here's thing that seems so obvious to me. Apple has spent untold millions of dollars building this mega datacenter in the southeast that supplies the computing and storage capacity of iCloud.


At the same time, many users who have switched from MobileMe to iCloud miss the functionality and open storage service of MobileMe--iDisk.


Apple now charges for iCloud users who want more storage in the cloud.


So why not allow users to PAY FOR additional cloud storage than can be used any way the user wants? Why does it have to the iCloud way or the highway? Storage in the cloud is storage in the cloud. Why does Apple appear to so much against SELLING me some general cloud storage (like DropBox but which works like iDisk) that I can use any way that I want? How about $1 or $2 per GB of cloud storage per year?


I keep asking myself this and the only answer I can come up with is the same answer for "Why did Apple go from a 3-column Address Book on the Mac to a 2-column, less functional Address Book? It's that Apple is doing everything they can to shove Mac users into an iOS world, whether they want that or not.


Apple CLEARLY has the code base and cloud storage space to be able to sell iDisk-like storage space to Mac users...but they don't. Yeah...I get the message...get on the iOS train or be left at the station. Thank's so much for my Mac loyalty since 1984.

The thing is, Apple has created a user 'experience' in iOS much like that of the iTunes Store for Mac (MAS). They now want to grow it. Users will need to / want to access their computers in different ways. Those ways will be supported by apps much like those in iTunes. Apple merely has created the engine, the train station and laid the tracks. There needs to be an 'app for that' in the same way as the wildly popular iPhone app store, fueled by outside developers as well as Apple. They are laying the foundation(s) for that development now.


If someone (or lots of people) want the functionality of an addressbook with three columns or whatever, they will build on the base of Addressbook's data a new paradigm and an app will be developed (Bento as an example). All you need do is get a developer to hear your pleas. And they are listening.


H

Oct 22, 2011 10:55 AM in response to Sjazbec

Sjazbec wrote:


I prophecy that Mac OS X is going to be replaced very soon with iOS, once touch-enabled iMacs arrive on the scene.

I would need arms like a gorilla to spend 10 hours a day with my arms stretched out using a touchscreen.


Guess what, I also don't use a trackpad other than when I'm on the road with just my laptop. I use a 30" screen connected to my 17" Mackbook Pro and a 4 button Kensinton mouse or a Walcom tablet when I'm drawing.


Touchscreen with gestures work great on my iPhone and iPad but not so great for anything except simple stuff on my Mac.

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