Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

@dkalchev

You have absolutely no clue what you talk about!

I suggest here one to judge my posts and what I write here! It is idiotic to judge the person who wrote the post instead the post itself!

 

 

I don't judge you, only your posts. Your choice of 'facts' and the annoying act of you spreading FUD about the iPhone 4S.

You wrote "you have no clue" and in the next sentence you wrote "I don't judge you"! You are contradicting yourself.

This is my last post where I reply to you because I do not want to feed trolls!

>This is my last post where I reply to you because I do not want to feed trolls!

The troll is actually yourself. dkaltchev is apparently a legit guy

@Yuri Moscow Russia

Yuri Moscow Russia wrote:

 

>As long as you don't provide any facts, why would they trust your FUD?

 

TRUE

 

If there is true audible noise, I suggest to exchange the device. The noise that is so quiet that it's barely audible could be present in electronics, I belive, am I wrong?

You are wrong! I strongly suggest that you speak to someone who does electronics for a living!

 

It seems we have the Android assault these days. Those Google guys clearly can't do any proper business it seems, other than to copy Apple and sell at a cheaper price :-)

You are on the wrong forum! This is not a forum about complains regarding the Android phones and Google.

This is a forum about complains regarding the battery life issue of iPhone 4s!

enx23,

Did the iPhone 4 meet it's claimed battery life of 300hrs standby?   Do any of the newest smartphones meet their stated battery life claims?

Standby claims are totally useless, IMO.   Much the same as Highway MPG ratings used to be with car companies.

 

enx23 wrote:

 

@ClayG

 

 

ClayG wrote:

 

Could someone please summarize the static noise issue for me succinctly? I don't have time to read 11,000 replies, particularly with the tangents this thread has been taking, but I'd like to know what to look for.

[...]

 

The static noise affects ~80% of iPhone 4s (if one is on 3G network + UMTS network + data transfer).

 

Some time the static noise can be heard during the phone calls if there is a data transfer is going on while one is having a call.

 

While I admit my iPhone 4S does not have ANY noise like this, you are confusing two very different things here.

What you call 'static' noise (your test) describe a SOUND that some component within the device is making because of VIBRATION. (I am repeating this for a third time here, not because of you, but for ClayG to read)

What you describe as your second cause is in fact only happening with only few carriers. It is in my opinion the result of poor network quality (not enough bandwidth) where the data transmission interferes with the voice transmission. Or it migh be just poor traffic engineering (prioritization) by the carrier. In 3G, it is all 'data' and your telefone is in fact using variation of VoIP (only it is automatically negotiated between carrier and your phone). It might be also codec issue with some carriers -- that is, the codec not handling bandwidth shortage well and producing all sort of noise, clicks etc.

In 2G, which is actually circuit switched network, you have independent circuits for voice and for data. So whatever carriers do, does not impact your experience in such as way.

By the way, enc23, have you experienced this second kind of 'static noise' (which is more in line with the terminology, btw)? If so, did you have to put your ear on the Apple logo on the back of the phone to hear it?

I hear you enx23 and empathize with you, I really do.   That being said, as you say, you are now stuck with the phone for the time being.   So here's my question.........

Rather than dumb the phone down, why not carry a car charger and usb charger to charge it at each opportunity?   This way, you can keep the features on that will allow you to get the most out of the phone. 

I'm luckier than most in that my 4s does not excperience the battery drain when I'm connected to wifi.   I have good wifi access both at home and the office, so my problems are limited.   No matter though, I have a charger in the car and a cable with me.   It's rare that I can't find time to plug the phone into something, on those few times where I am away from wifi and lose battery power quickly.

This way, I can have everything on and get maximum use out of the phone and it's features.   I know the battery situation is frustrating and is very unfortunate, but at this point, you appear to be locked in, so you may as well make the best of it.   No?

enx23 wrote:

 

@Duckgirl722

 

 

Duckgirl722 wrote:

 

Hi enx23! I am curious as to why you are so passionate about insisting that people get a replacement/refund because you believe no software update could possibly solve the issue. I'm not saying you are wrong nor right, I am just curious

Thank you for the question DuckGirl722!

 

I bought a new iPhone 4s last year with 740 euros! Immediately I have noticed that I have the battery life issue, static noise issue, and bad quality voice calls. I was waiting for long enough hoping all the time that Apple will release iOS 5.0.1 to fix at least the battery life issue of iPhone 4s. At that time everybody was raving that for sure iOS 5.0.1 will fix the battery life issue and there were even some Apple hints about this this. The same is happening now when everyone is sure that iOS 5.1 will fix the battery life problem. By the time I saw that the iOS 5.0.1 was released I could not a refund for my iPhone 4s (I was out of the 10 days period). Now I am stuck with a horrible smartphone which actually I use as a dumb phone just to be able to get thru the day until the evening. Also I see that this is not my fault and it is Apple fault. On the other hand who wants to buy a iPhone 4s with these issues? Also I do not see why I should loose money on the iPhone 4s which I bought because it is not my fault and it is Apple's fault! I have talked to Apple support and they blame the carrier for my iPhone 4s problems which I find really astonishing. Of course that I contacted the carrier and my carrier told me specifically that the network is fine and the problem is with my iPhone 4s. Also in my office I have another mobile phone (different manufacturer) on the same 3G network as my iPhone 4s and if I put on the same desk both one inch apart the iPhone 4s shows 3 bars coverage (out of five) and the other phone shows 5 bar coverage.

 

Shortly, I am stuck with a super expensive iPhone 4s for which I cannot get a refund and I do not see why I should loose money on it because of Apple selling me such a miserable phone. So I am letting people here to know that they should not do like me, which is to wait for Apple to release some hypothetical software update and while waiting they are in the position not to be ableto get a refund!

 

Therefore, I suggest everyone that if one suspects or even things that has a battery life issue and/or static noise issue with his or her iPhone 4s to ask for a refund or get a replacement and not wait too long!

enx23 wrote:

 

If there is true audible noise, I suggest to exchange the device. The noise that is so quiet that it's barely audible could be present in electronics, I belive, am I wrong?

You are wrong! I strongly suggest that you speak to someone who does electronics for a living!

I do.   I have dealt with electronics for at least 40 years now.

Almost all of today's electronics use circuits to pump up or down voltage. These chips require a number of different voltages each! The most efficient known today technology to do this sort of things involves transformers. Anyone ever done something with electronics knows that transformers make noise. Better transformers make less noise, but it can't be avoided. Not in today's (2012) electronics.

I am even more convinced you have absolutely no clue what you talk about.

They sure have no clue about electronics, only troll and flame. With hopes of people becoming paranoid about minor sounds their phones make :-)

Ignoring the people who are taking this too personally

Can anyone recommend a good battery management app that will tell me more accurately how much battery I have left? The indicator seems to be super wrong on my iPhone - it stays on 100% for like two hours and then when it drops to 99%, it drains 5% per hour from there.

Have you tried to get a new SIM card for your iPhone? I had the same problem as you, almost never more than 3 bars reception, and short battery time, especially with cellular data on. My phone has been much better after I got a new SIM card. I can get 3 days on standby, and 6.5 hours use. The use is mostly web surfing on wifi, checking mail, twitter, reeder, imessage and occasional phone call, with 18% battery left. I also have 4-5 bars reception where I used to have 2-3 bars.

I have SIRI off, bluetooth off, and push mail off.

I have tested several times and usually get these numbers:

standby drain 0.5% per hour cellular data off

standby drain 1% per hour with celluar data on.

I still have the static noise issue, and I hate that, but I can live with the phone as it is now.

It Works!!!!

This process really improved my battery life, I was about to exchange my phone before I did it.

Now my battery last ALL DAY I even play games.

Thanks Davidch

I'll try getting a new SIM, but getting rid of iCloud fixes most issues with standby time. Also a fresh restore helps.

O______O Ok, I'm super surprised... After a full charge cycle this morning, 70% battery now with 9 hours, 23 minutes Standby and 47 minutes Usage. Not the best but wow, definitely much better. I wonder what happened O_O

This will not be a popular opinion on this forum but I do not agree that Apple is wrong on being silent on this battery issue.  Apple is a publicly traded company and it's allegiance is ultimately to its shareholders.  This means there are going to be times where they have to make hard business decisions that may include some compromises in customer service levels.  As an example, let's assume that Apple has estimated that one percent (350,000 phones) of 4S customers are affected by poor battery life.  Let's also assume that  5.0.1, resets, restores, etc. addresses the main drainage for two-thirds of this population (I fall into this category). Then you are left one-third of one percent of users who have a long-term or serious problem phone.  I can understand why Apple may not issue a public statement because they have determined it may cause unnecessary panic, returns and customer services loads on their stores and phone lines.  Because the real problem may only be a very small part of the user base, they have  to deal with the problems on a case by case basis.  I work in operations for a Fortune 500 medical device company and this is exactly how we deal with known defects and problems.  Unless the problem will affect the safety and health of the patient or is mandated by a regulatory agency such as the FDA, how we address and communicate product issues becomes a judgement call.  I am not saying this is right and some consumers will get the short end of the stick but I can understand why Apple has chosen the silent path.  The fact that mainstream media has not published any stories in the past few months tends to support my position.

Where I do fault Apple is the training and consistency of support at their stores and service lines.  From what I have read, some users have been treated well and have been given exchanges even outside of the normal policy window.  Other customers have recieved poor responses bordering on mistreatment (especially from so called Geniuses) and saracasm.  This is an area that I find unacceptable.  If a customer truly has a problem phone that cannot be fixed, Apple needs a more effective system in place to support these situations.

sbailey4 wrote:

 

 

I will 1000% agree with all here who say Apple is wrong in being so silent and not providing ANY information on their plans to address the remaining issues with  the 4s. Oh no, does that statement mean I loose my Apple fanboy-worshiper-lover status? Dang it! Oh well I do still like my iPhone over any other phone Iever had. even if I have to actually plug it in once in a while.

You've been trolling here for at least a month. If you don't use a smartphone why are you here? Are you lonely? Are you looking for a date? Are you looking for attention?

I said, "I compare my heavy usage to benchmarks where a phone is tested and I know the battery is inline to what reviewers are seeing." I've read Anandtech reviews, among many others, and I don't have to lie about my phone usage.

In your words you don't use a smartphone at all and you want question me about heavy phone use? One of the few smartphones that can currently make it through a whole day of heavy use is the Droid Maxx and that's due to its massive battery.

Where did I say that the iP4S isn't outclassed in some aspects by some devices? The truth is you're grasping at straws and trying to change the subject.

The Big Bang theory is not a good show. Since my remark flew right over your head let me explain it to you. You want to comment on something you don't use, but you are trying to pass yourself off as knowledgeable. Please comment on the unified field theory, another field of study you don't understand.

1AppleADayNoWay wrote:

 

ricky_tang wrote:

 

Now I fully understand your line of bs. You're trying to troll and you're trying to pass one over on an old master.

 

You don't use a smartphone at all? Really? Go back to using a landline. I use my phone almost entirely on default settings, with the exception of diagnostics. I compare my heavy usage to benchmarks where a phone is tested and I know the battery is inline to what reviewers are seeing. When it isn't it's immediately obvious.

 

Regarding the graphics, if you think when a game is fully playable, the advantage goes to mobility, buy the cheapest phone and never upgrade. I'll use Infinity Blade II as an example. It's fully playable on a iP4 and iP4S. Which one would you prefer to play? Oh but you don't use a smartphone at all. You couldn't play neither. You don't use a smartphone and you state that in your opinion Apple is making poor choices concerning graphical performance. Care to comment on the Big Bang theory and enlighten us with your knowledgeable expertise?

 

If you want a phone with long standby and talk time buy a dumbphone.

You're a bit emotional with this. Seems you share similar traits with a toddler in more than one respect. I made an argument, and you don't like it. Grow up. I use a land line every day, I don't need to go back to it. I don't see the big deal about that. What, you think you have some kind of leverage over me because you use a smartphone? I'm actually considering the Nokia C1-01 as a flip phone. Or maybe you thought smart phones are for smart people and dumb phones are for dumb people?

 

You compare your usage to benchmarks but you don't reveal nor the usage nor the benchmark - shy boy. The truth is many devices outclass the iP4S in some aspects of smartphone use, like wifi browsing or using it as a hotspot, or do you consider Anandtech to be unscientific - of course scientific would be what, Wired? But I for one dare disclose on what benchmark I make a comparison (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/15). As far as graphics vs battery life is concerned, you haven't made an argument, you've simply used your little condescending ploy to obscure what I said because you think maybe I'm making this up. I don't need to play those games on a postage stamp device, because other serious people did play them so that I can make the analysis without wasting lots of time just to undo your argument.

 

The Big Bang theory, quite a good show indeed. The Big Bang, well there might be 11 or 21 dimensions, it's possible to imagine it somewhat as intersecting soap bubbles, tons of big bangs occur as surges spike out of sheer time-space and such. Don't know much more, astrophysics is not my field but you wanted to be enlightened. So be. Surely you'll be able to uncover much more about it on your device... so enjoy it while the battery lasts - heavily as you put it - before someone tucks you in! And no I'm not singing "Soft Kitty".