Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

sbailey4 wrote:

 

Nope, its not possible. Just ask enx23, 80% dont work at all and the other 20% have static, and heat and bad chips and faulty software,and.............  You just THINK your phone works, it really doesnt.

dkalchev wrote:

 

 

 

My iPhone 4S is apparently magical. Not only does it not have any static noise, but it's battery life improves with every next charge, even if I turn on more and more features.

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This perfectly suits me. Every time it rings and I pick it up I feel uneasy (becasue enx23 warned us all), wonder if it would not explode in my hands (mind you, defective electronics, especially batteries are especially prone to exploding!) --- then looking at the battery indicator, seeing that it still has some charge after using it for two days I feel relief!

Indeed, I don't care if my iPhone is defective by design, or because of some plot between Qualcomm and Samsung or the KGB or even CIA. As long as I think it works, everything is ok.

Here I was trying to come up with a reply to enx23, couldn't find the words... But then I see this and it's spot on. *high five* lol

sbailey4 wrote:

 

Betty: "I went outside and it was raining and I got wet."

enx23: "No you didnt, the qualcom chip had enough heat and static that it kept you dry, you only THINK you got wet because all the chips have static and heat and will keep everyone dry if they go in the rain. Dont believe what you see or feel, believe what I tell you. Dont be happy your iPhone is now working, look for any possible reason to complain about it because 5 years from now the battery wont be new like it is now then what will you do?"

enx23 wrote:

I am even more convinced you have absolutely no clue what you talk about.

Really?

 

Read this!

 

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ce1 wrote:

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Venturing a guess, it appears as though all iPhones are affected. It seems almost impossible for so many of these units, all purchased at different times and locations, to be affected in such a consistent way. The majority of users probably do not notice the static either because they can't hear it or think it's normal or simply don't want to appear crazy. When I took it to the Genius Bar the woman dialed the phone from a house line and swore to me should could hear no static. When I took the phone from her I heard it immediately, but that's because I knew what to listen to. I work in the microelectronics industry and when integrated circuits make this kind of noise, the issue tends to be related to (1) incorrect voltage or (2) a faulty component. Faulty components can continue to work within expected parameters, but will emit an electronic buzz/humm/static/whine/crackling. I'm doubtful that Apple can ever solve this issue with a software fix, but they may be able to fix it by identifying the issue and fixing it in their future production. At that stage it's probably going to be worthwhile to get a replacement -- assuming that Apple's service stock has caught up, which is definitely not going to happen for a while even after the issue has been fixed.

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from here:

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3393647?start=705&tstart=0

Man.... (censored)

Read the third word in what you quoted. Look it up in a dictionary, or whatever your highest education level suggests. Try to comprehend.

Also, by the way the same guru you quote suggests getting a replacement is worthless (I happen to agree with him on this ) Why would you give advice to your victims to get a replacement?

By the way, I doubt that person who "worked in the microelectronics industry" will dare stand before his boss and tell him the same "diagnostics".

@*uckGirl722

Duckgirl722 wrote:

 

Here I was trying to come up with a reply to enx23, couldn't find the words... But then I see this and it's spot on. *high five* lol

Let's see in few days when the battery life issue returns to your iPhone 4s if this is still spot on!

ricky_tang wrote:

 

You've been trolling here for at least a month. If you don't use a smartphone why are you here? Are you lonely? Are you looking for a date? Are you looking for attention?

 

I said, "I compare my heavy usage to benchmarks where a phone is tested and I know the battery is inline to what reviewers are seeing." I've read Anandtech reviews, among many others, and I don't have to lie about my phone usage.

 

In your words you don't use a smartphone at all and you want question me about heavy phone use? One of the few smartphones that can currently make it through a whole day of heavy use is the Droid Maxx and that's due to its massive battery.

 

Where did I say that the iP4S isn't outclassed in some aspects by some devices? The truth is you're grasping at straws and trying to change the subject.

 

The Big Bang theory is not a good show. Since my remark flew right over your head let me explain it to you. You want to comment on something you don't use, but you are trying to pass yourself off as knowledgeable. Please comment on the unified field theory, another field of study you don't understand.

I'm here for the likes of you - and I've been there for longer than a month. I'm here to scrape the sugar coat. I didn't want all your attention, so you can go back to Infinity Blade now. You see, I don't care for your personal experience, but you claim things yet you don't disclose them. You don't have to but then don't come back with a useless post. The only thing I've done is disclosing the numbers from Anandtech and challenging some of your statements - it may rock your world I concede. I'm at a loss as to why I need to use a smartphone to have a discussion on the numbers and reviews, or general knowledge, plus the terms of use of the forum don't require you to own a device to register or post here so get lost with that. Like a few others here, you seem to think that your experience is world-defining - you may define yourself through your phone use but I do not. Plus I've been here long enough to see how this phone behaves - there are variations with issues and with results, but there are some trends. I have explained through many recent posts my take on that phone. It is up there at the top of its class. But it is not in a class of its own, or out of this world. And it is certainly not "perfect". And I'm not doing a dance for you buddy - go ask Siri where to find that. Hands on experience is just entirely irrelevant here so your point is moot - it has nothing to do with knowledge. Were I to own an iPhone I fail to see how this would instruct me as to what hundreds of other people are experiencing. You should start with basic logic before going into astrophysics.

@dkalchev

dkalchev wrote:

 

enx23 wrote:

I am even more convinced you have absolutely no clue what you talk about.

Really?

 

Read this!

 

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ce1 wrote:

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Venturing a guess, it appears as though all iPhones are affected. It seems almost impossible for so many of these units, all purchased at different times and locations, to be affected in such a consistent way. The majority of users probably do not notice the static either because they can't hear it or think it's normal or simply don't want to appear crazy. When I took it to the Genius Bar the woman dialed the phone from a house line and swore to me should could hear no static. When I took the phone from her I heard it immediately, but that's because I knew what to listen to. I work in the microelectronics industry and when integrated circuits make this kind of noise, the issue tends to be related to (1) incorrect voltage or (2) a faulty component. Faulty components can continue to work within expected parameters, but will emit an electronic buzz/humm/static/whine/crackling. I'm doubtful that Apple can ever solve this issue with a software fix, but they may be able to fix it by identifying the issue and fixing it in their future production. At that stage it's probably going to be worthwhile to get a replacement -- assuming that Apple's service stock has caught up, which is definitely not going to happen for a while even after the issue has been fixed.

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from here:

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3393647?start=705&tstart=0

 

By the way, I doubt that person who "worked in the microelectronics industry" will dare stand before his boss and tell him the same "diagnostics".

I suggest that you should reply to him this comment and not to me!

There is an entire forum about the static noise in iPhone 4s and I suggest to *uckGirl722, dkalchev, sbailey4, rphunte42 to post also their comments there!

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3393647?start=705&tstart=0

sbailey4 wrote:

 

I know Appleaday, I thought I was gone LOL but you have to admit, a few here are totally entertaining! 

 

Insofar as a freak show is entertaining I sort of agree lollll. I can only hope when the Chinese get their hands on the phone, if it's not already the case, that we'll get further material for "discussion" lol. Although they might use the Chinese side of the forum, if such a thing exists, as I haven't checked... Also 5.1 should bring further discussion aka "I've used it for 20 minutes and I have no more drain" lolll. We'll have to see I guess!

Did you look up that word in an dictionary?

I don't have static noise, why would I go to that "forum"? I came to this thread, because I was researching my fast draining battery issue. But who knows, I may out of some samaritan impulse decide to post in there as well.

The reason why I ignore the suggestions that the likes of you have to offer is very simple. I have some clue. I am well aware what it takes to design hardware like what is inside the iPhone. I am also well (even better) aware what it takes to design software that will programm that hardware properly. And, I am even more aware of the iOS design with regards to power conservation. iOS, with support of the iPhone (and other iDevices) hardware is an example of how mobile devices should be designed and managed -- because, even if battery life is not the number one priority, power is precious in mobile devices.

Therefore, when I see my mobile device doesn't last long enough, I do research the causes and when I know what the issue is, apply appropriate resolution. So far I am impresed by the iPhone 4S battery life.

If my "problem" returns, I already know how to deal with it.

Your higher than mine degree must be in some humanitarian field, because your knowledge of electronics and computers is apparently based on hearsay.

You're a bit into denial - which is why you read only what suits your theorization of the issue. You base your arguments on your own authority, which is pure fallacy and you'll even go as far as depicting issues within iOS as an engineering feat. This is quite self-serving. You had a drain, and you're expecting a drain, and that's normal. The drain is a "feature' of properly implemented power management. If you don't think about it or convince yourself it's gone until next time, then there cannot be a design or OS issue. Please.

As an engineer, I am trained to look at the 'problems' without too much emotions, see why they happen and seek the proper resolution.

Yes, I had serious battery drain. My phone was getting hot etc. I researched the topic (including readind some useful posts in this thread as well as a lot of nonsense and ranting) and came to some conclusions. I followed my own advice -- to make my phone "as new", because my highest scoring 'culprit' was bad settings. The reset completely 'cured' my iPhone --- proving that it was not 'bad' to begin with, just improperly setup -- that was done by the operator where I purchased it.

I then designed few tests to verify that my findings are correct. I even posted my experience here, as it might be useful for others. With each new charge, my run  time increases -- this is as expected: lithium-ion batteries achieve their capacity after about 10 charge cycles.

Of course, I understand why I alienate you so much. But, this is the way I express my findings and opinion. :-)

I wish you had an iPhone 4S in your hands, so that you feel better.

You don't alienate me at all, and I'm nowhere near buying such a gadget to join the likes of you, Ricky or Yuri.

You entirely demonstrate why engineers and devs have always been poor at support. The main reason is that you take for granted your prior knowledge. It is entirely normal for the average user the restore his settings from a prior phone. He cannot know in advance that this may cause some problems - why would he? And if it does, he's stuck wasting precious time coming here to figure it out or going to the store and what not. This is not what was intended. If Apple had figured out how to sanitize their restore process, none of those types of issues would have happened in the first place. But there are other issues as well, which don't exist because you don't have them. But somehow you fail to grasp this or that. The more time the user spends on troubleshooting his device, and this is further compounded by the weak support structure such a forum offers and uneven Apple store support, the more the value is lowered because time is money. It should be troublefree - this is the nature of the Apple experience. For some it has become a less than stellar one.

dkalchev wrote:

 

 

I then designed few tests to verify that my findings are correct.

So what setting(s) specifically did you find as the problem?

1AppleADayNoWay wrote:

 

You entirely demonstrate why engineers and devs have always been poor at support.

Mind you, support is actually done by support engineers. Or, you think otherwise?

The main reason is that you take for granted your prior knowledge.

Not granted, by any means. I spend considerable time every single day to educate myself.

It is entirely normal for the average user the restore his settings from a prior phone. He cannot know in advance that this may cause some problems - why would he? And if it does, he's stuck wasting precious time coming here to figure it out or going to the store and what not. This is not what was intended. If Apple had figured out how to sanitize their restore process, none of those types of issues would have happened in the first place.

As I have already pointed out number of times, Apple's support engineers have already fugired this, long ago and posted it for any of their customers to know: http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html

I am not confident that restoring your own settings from another iPhone is the culprit. My current theory is that the bad settings come from the network operator -- those who got "virgin" iPhones might not have such problems (I have not confirmed this yet).

But there are other issues as well, which don't exist because you don't have them.

I am aware of many issues with iPhone and iOS that might be improved. Being aware of these issues and various limitations let's me make use of my iPhone with confidence.

You should know, that many (most) of the iPhone users, who unlike you actually own an iPhone, are aware of many iPhone/iOS limitations and quirks -- even if they don't care to understand them from engineering point of view -- and they do much like me -- learn how to use the device they have in their hands. There is a lot of knowledge and wisdom in these forums. For these people, the "problems" with iPhone 4S are nothing new.

But somehow you fail to grasp this or that. The more time the user spends on troubleshooting his device, and this is further compounded by the weak support structure such a forum offers and uneven Apple store support, the more the value is lowered because time is money. It should be troublefree - this is the nature of the Apple experience. For some it has become a less than stellar one.

I am rather busy person. In fact, I find myself spending more time feeding trolls in this forum than troubleshooting my iPhone 4S. Perhaps this is because my iPhone 4S doesn't need any more troubleshooting. But, people like you and the highest educated enc23 are amusing.

The iPhone 4S value is great. There is nothing like this on the market, from any other vendor. I am talking the Product -- not some specific technical spec. iPhone 4S is in such huge demand, that in most countries you need to actually pre-order it.

Don't you think, it's a bit arrogant to consider all those millions of iPhone owners stupid, but yourself, who doesn't own one, but "knows" it is bad, smart?

zSkeptic wrote:

 

[...] Apple is a publicly traded company and it's allegiance is ultimately to its shareholders.  This means there are going to be times where they have to make hard business decisions that may include some compromises in customer service levels. [...]

 

Where I do fault Apple is the training and consistency of support at their stores and service lines.  From what I have read, some users have been treated well and have been given exchanges even outside of the normal policy window.  Other customers have recieved poor responses bordering on mistreatment (especially from so called Geniuses) and saracasm.  This is an area that I find unacceptable.  If a customer truly has a problem phone that cannot be fixed, Apple needs a more effective system in place to support these situations.

I found your post quite interesting. Improving support should prove important. There are also many things which can be done to improve the usefulness of their forums - form posting, profiled procedures, better implemented "stickies" and ultimately high level ressource commitment when the issue deserves it. They have the resources to implement such ideas. But I wanted to comment on the first part of what you said about management decisions, as I found it was not entirely accurate. First of all a company need not be traded for the board of directors to have the responsability of increasing the shareholder's or stakeholder's wealth - even private companies have shareholders. Public trading mostly increase information disclosure requirements. Secondly, board members should not be confused with top management. Top execs manage the company on a day to day basis and have no duty whatsoever to the shareholders - their duty lies to the corporation. Some of their decision might require the board's approval but the interest at stake is that of the corporation itself. It may be in some cases board members are also active in the management of the business i.e. operations. In that case their duties also lie in the corporation's interest - of course in a very human way their decisions may be tainted by their duties as board members but it's really 2 different hats. Finally it is commonly recognized that serving the interest of the corporation is beneficial to the interest of the shareholders in general. What you imply from your experience in relation to the FDA or how it would apply in this case, however rationalized, can only be described as "greed" or some form of negligence because of it. Risks are assessed and provisioned for financially and procedures can be implemented to better tailor information disclosure and do selective recalls and such if necessary. Here it may just be that it's simply too random to establish such procedures - although I speculate here. I understand the difference between theory and practice though.

Anyways, cheers!

[...]But, people like you and the highest educated enc23 are amusing.

 

The iPhone 4S value is great. There is nothing like this on the market, from any other vendor. I am talking the Product -- not some specific technical spec. iPhone 4S is in such huge demand, that in most countries you need to actually pre-order it.

 

Don't you think, it's a bit arrogant to consider all those millions of iPhone owners stupid, but yourself, who doesn't own one, but "knows" it is bad, smart?

Of course I concede no other vendor on the market makes an iPhone or an iOS phone. I respect your opinion on the value of the product. I have my own. I mean McDonalds have a huge demand for their products, it doesn't make it good because of that, although it's quite tasty. You are amusing, you come here at page 650 and fall in love with Apple's "battery document" as if it were the ultimate problem solving resource. I'm unimpressed. You shouldn't talk about arrogance, as you constantly refer to your engineering skills and asks for people to look words up the dictionary. You're a condescending pr1ck and I'm not surprised you would find the status the device yields attractive. On the other hand, I've never said iPhone owners are stupid. On countless occasions I've expressed my appreciation for the design, or iOS, the quality of the screen, the quality of the apps etc. so I can understand someone would buy it - but I talked also about the shortcomings of the device in relation to the 4S release and the distortion/hype surrounding the product. Many Apple users have acknowledged it. Your selective reading and rigid intellect is your own doing, don't make me say things I didn't say.