Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

It's called "hype", "bling", "marketing", "cult" and "lifestyle". Don't be a cheerleader. It's ARM, Samsung, LG and Qualcomm tech inside.

That's the voice of the guys on the losing side of the table shouting about how unfair it is that they aren't doing as well.

There are a lot of factors that inform a consumer choice to part with their cash for a given item.  And contrary to what you allege, they aren't all shallow and obsequious ones.  Either way, though, the reasons are irrelevant - if a consumer buys a product because they like the way it looks or feels, or if they like the thought of what they think others believe when they see they have it, or if they consider it to be a well made and capable product, they still bought it.  Apple has been undeniably successful at selling to people, who want to buy its products for all sorts of reasons.  That's called 'commerce', and you are complaining that Apple is good at it.  What you are doing is arguing that 'Apple should not be so successful - it is unfair.'

FYI, the cheerleader slur is really funny coming from you - you don't even own an Apple phone yet you pontificate on them ad-nauseum here day after day (after day).

What you guys don't get is that people will pay money for a certain kind of experience, over and above what they will pay for something else.  Looked at in the way you do, 12 apples are just 12 pieces of fruit, regardless of what you do with them or in what way.  So you dutifully set yourself to the task of baking a pie, and then turn around and complain that the other guy's pie sells better than yours, for more money.  And you scratch your head and wonder why, and you complain that it is silly, and weird, and some sort of cult like think... after all It's just apples, right?  I mean, what's the difference, right?  Pie is pie.

As long as you are unable to see that implementation matters, you won't be able to understand why Apple is so successful.

Finally, the market was never about "fairness", but consumers deserve "value" - hence no cheerleader should impede them from asking for such value or voicing their frustration when such value is not on par. When you charge such a price, then you better prepare to reap lightning if you can't deliver, and it's only fair. Praising the biggest capitalization in the world and saying that no one can compete and at the sametime making an argument about the fact that fairness is not part of the market equation is pure contradiction. Because competition and true information are critical to a healthy market, then both have to be fostered if the object of your cult adoration is to improve. The Iphone will not improve if all the user base adopts your - cult (no offense) - rationale. Finally your claim about competition is purely false and based on your own lack of information. For instance in the UK market, Apple is third in the smartphone race.

Cheers!

Just to make sure Apple doesn't really believe that only a small number of customers are affected by this problem: I am too. I've tried several of the mentioned workarounds, but none of them really helped. Even with the phone (4s) lying on the desk (with no use at all and nearly all features like iCloud, Siri, reminders, notifications, mobile data, wifi off) for hours after fully charging it, it shows hours of using time.

By the way, my iPod Touch 4G running iOS 5 doesn't show abnormal battery usage, and I didn't read any complaints from other iPod users in any forum. The problem seems to affect only iPhones and iPads, can anybody confirm this?

Is it just me, or is the post totally going in a different direction?  Really people?

And then, there is the FACT that the 4s is a great phone/camera/computer/iPod/...  (the list can go on), but it has a flaw.  Don't get me wrong, in some cases that flaw totally makes the device only usable as a phone.  Um, that's the main function, isn't it?  Apple is a great company with good customer support, give them time and I'm sure they'll fix the flaw.  They've done it before.  It takes time to troubleshoot problems, especially if it turns out that there are a multitude of problems. 

And to all of these people who say "I'm going to return my phone or else...". Get over yourselves!  You know as soon as apple fixes the "glitch", you guys will be the first ones in line to pick the phone back up.  So put on your big boy pants, grow up a little, and try to develop this little thing called PATIENCE. 

Thanks for my rant!  J

I just hope samsung and others don't figure out how to use "hype", "bling", "marketing", "cult" and "lifestyle" otherwise they might create a product of high demand and expect to get paid for it.

Just wanted to add myself to this issue with the iPhone 4S's battery life. I know it is a bug(s) that is affecting iOS 5, but I figured the more the merrier when there are actual known issues.

Drains 1% every 3-5 minutes.

I fully realize what the implementation is. The problem is just that Steve had basically said that Android IS a copy of IOS. So then in turn you cannot go far with the "differentiation" rationale... aside from the distortion field I was talking about. I believe the experience you talk about is based on a lack of information. Finally, merchantability sets limitation on commerce. It's not a free for all world where you can "peddle" anything you want.

It's quite easy to play the slapstick little rhetoric. I mean, Samsung, HTC, Nokia and Motorola and others have made amazing phones - and everybody knows it. Apple tech IS great, no doubt. My point is by what margin is it "better". There are other considerations for IT as a whole like open source but I'll spare you as it's not something you guys really care about. But sustainability is important. You're stuck with a phone with no 3G toggle and no one can make it different until they decide what's better for you. You may trust them. I don't. I guess that's what sets us apart.

Consumers used to want to pay more for Apple products. I suspect because of their ignorance, because of peer pressure from Apple users, because of the Ipod user base, and because of the belief that it was a perfect product that couldn't be flawed with an issue that would last 30 days+. I guess now that this whole ordeal has proven that it's just "another experience" or "another device"... what consumers are ready to pay Apple should be adjusted accordingly.

Finally, market share numbers are irrelevant for me. It's childish to want Apple to be #1 everywhere, as it would be to want Android or BB to the #1 everywhere. What's important for me is that no one leverages the premium he's charging its user base to litigate against innovation instead of delivering what users paid for and improving his own device. If you had any clue about what IP is you would understand that when Apple starts patenting lock gestures and such, it does so not to gain market share based on quality of their device but rather using a tactic which is simply to impede its competitors from making profits. If past IP holders where as relentless as Apple is in the field, Apple wouldn't be a successful business. You lack information to understand this most likely. I don't care for Android more than Apple really. I care for a balanced and competitive, sustainable market and IT environment.

p.s. the term "cheerleader" is not geared at you specifially and is not meant as an offense. This is not something personal. In the end, I hope everyone gets more value for what they pay for, irrespective of brand.

Finally, the market was never about "fairness", but consumers deserve "value" - hence no cheerleader should impede them from asking for such value or voicing their frustration when such value is not on par

1) Conumers evidently believe that Apple delivers better value than their competitors, or they would not be willing to pay the price premiums you allege.

2) Interesting you note that Apple is not the number one selling handset.  Didn't Eric Schmidt (you know, chairman of the board for Google and former CEO) just stand before Congress and proclaim that Apple is a huge threat to Google, and that "Android operates on only 34.1 percent while Apple’s iOS runs on 43.1 percent" of devices?  Oh, yeah.  That was just marketing I guess.

3) I don't argue that Apple should not provide value.  What I argue is that you are unable to see the value they provide, and that is why you can't understand it.

Is it just me, or is the post totally going in a different direction?  Really people?

There are roughly 3,600 posts here that consist of the same thing: "my battery life *****"

There are only so many times that needs to be said before people start talking about something more interesting.

Folks, Apple is working on the issue.   When the software update is released, you will be satisfied.  Please be patient.

I might have solved the problem thanks to you *EDIT thanks to sean-g11 ". At least it seems the problem has been solved.

Im not sure of the exact menu names in English, but here goes:

Go to:

Settings - Location Settings - System Services - TURN ON "Status Line Symbol" (at the bottom) . This prooved to show, that my iPhone 4s was running the "Setting Time Zone" 24/7. I turned it off, and the batttery time has been improved (or so it seems so far). "setting time zone" can be found as number 3 in the list above "Status line symbol".

Hope it works for you guys.

Message was edited by: spaceranger

Kais3r wrote:

 

That system monitor with battery max doesn't show an accurate reading on the 4s, iAssistant does and shows both cores, try that, I had the same high constant CPU reading and it's wrong with the app you mentioned. The other one shows between 1.5 and 8 while I watched it on mine

probably you are right.

Has anyone else tried letting things settle out over a week or two without wiping and restoring every other day?   Or am I the only patient one out here????   ;-)

No Jameson,

You are not the only one. I'm going to say most are having acceptable batt life from thier 4s. My wife and myself are charging every 3 days with expected battery life to 23-32% in that time span. ALL push are on as are SIRI and iCloud. Though only use iCloud .me mail. With my work day I only use around 18% in a 12hour standby full day(24hr).

The most important battery saver is CLOSE THOSE OPEN APPS IN THE DOCK !! 

These are still using system memory in the background !  : To close , 2x tap the hme button. Dock will open showing ALL OPEN APPS. Now hold any app for 2 seconds and you will entery the DELEATE MODE. Now just tap the to close the apps, then press the home button to close the DOCK.

Thats it, you have just saved alot of batt %.

Maholo

(Duplicate.)

I have a question.

Over on the Mac forums, there are long threads about failing batteries and loss of power using Macs running the new Lion OS.  Lion OS is the first Apple OS for computers that resembles iOS. 

I'm wondering, if anyone here is a really sharp digital engineer:  is there a correlation between these phenomena, battery power loss on the Macs and the iPhones simultaneously?  (It's been happening on the Macs about four months longer.)

People have tried literally everything to make Lion leave their batteries alone, curtailing use, removing and adding apps, checking out logs, the whole nine yards.  Yet the Macs with unremovable batteries -- Mac Powerbook Pros, Airs, and others -- are still losing power magnificently. 

We pay from $1000-$4000 for our Macs to get serious work done.  Down time for us is critical.  You pay monstrous telecom charges to stay connected.  We have a lot in common, right now.  Thanks for the iPhone Group Mind's opinion.

rs1n wrote:

 

 

 

1. Your usage and standby time indicates that something is causing the CPU to be active half of the time.

2. Even if you turn of the notifications, etc. some of them won't actually take effect until you reboot (power-cycle) your phone.

3. Is your system monitor updated for iOS 5? In the past I used SystemLite and it has crashed too often for me to keep around.

I agree , something seems activate the CPU half of the time, however all apps showing

% of CPU activity (i tried several) give low cpu usage while in standby mode..

I noticed another point : Battery is losing charge much slower when only 3G  or Wifi is on

but not both..Possibly a problem could be in the dual antena new system, switching from

one to the  other in abnormal way and wasting power.... may be...