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Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

My iPhone 4s battery seems terrible! Almost equivalent to my 3GS and it's terrible battery life. When I got my iPhone yesterday and restored from backup I noticed nothing really changed with minimal usage and standby! Is this normal or should I consider setting it up as a new phone because maybe something is running in the background that's causing it to drop a percentage every few minutes under light usage? Input would be great!

Posted on Oct 15, 2011 7:14 AM

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  • by PsyGuy24,

    PsyGuy24 PsyGuy24 Nov 14, 2011 7:20 PM in response to madeinhk
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:20 PM in response to madeinhk

    madeinhk wrote:

     

    It looks the fix is kicking in slowly, I did the 5.0.1 a few days ago and the battery life is getting better and better after couple recharges.

    Mine is getting better as well, after a few recharges! Im charge the battery when it drops at 5% with the battery doctor 20min trickle charge! Im getting almos 2 days standby and 8 hours use, which is fine for me!!

    -Email set to fetch 15min (both gmail and hotmail)

    -Notifications all ON ( the most common : email, facebook, imessage etc)

    -Location Services all ON except traffic, time zone.

    -Bluetooth OFF

    -SIRI OFF (Im in Mexico so it doesnt matter)

    - Did the update to 5.01 did all the resets and couple of cycles and now batter is getting better, it seems it´s fixing it slooowly but fixing it.

  • by programmergeek,

    programmergeek programmergeek Nov 14, 2011 7:25 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:25 PM in response to Scarface.

    This is redulicus I have my phone ine my pocket everything turned off and the phone gets hot and drops about 40% battery life an hour.  I have gone and bought 2 boost packs and extra home chargers.  Today I charged my battery 4 times I am now down to 12% 2 hours later again.  This phone is totally unusable.  My big issues is this has been going on for weeks even if they do fix it I have to do so many short cycle charges and the thing gets so hot I don't beleve my battery will be in good shape.  I hope apple warntees my battery I would hate to have a demished battery life because of there crappy OS bug. 

  • by DaveLibby24,

    DaveLibby24 DaveLibby24 Nov 14, 2011 7:29 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:29 PM in response to Scarface.

    When i first got my 4s my battery would only give me about 4 hours of use and 12 hours of standby. After the upgrade to 5.0.1 i am able to get 8-9 hours of use depending on standby time. Right now my battery is down to 57% after being charged to 100% last night before bed. I have 4hr 10min of use and 16hr 10min of standby.

     

         I have all normal notifications ON (facebook, scorecenter, text, etc.)

         Siri is ON

         Location Services ON for (everything) OFF for time zone

         Bluetooth OFF

         Wifi ON

         3G ON

     

    I can use basically everything that comes with this phone and it will give me 8-9 hours of use. For me that is plenty. I will charge it every two days. I hope everyone can get something like this out of there battery.

  • by 1AppleADayNoWay,

    1AppleADayNoWay 1AppleADayNoWay Nov 14, 2011 7:44 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:44 PM in response to Scarface.

    I think it's time for some regulatory intervention in the field of battery usage specs. There should be some autonomous organization that studies battery usage with real scenarios to give the users a real sense of what to expect. Seems nobody really knows. I mean people put so much money in this mobile industry. Not that Apple doesn't tell the truth - in fact from what I've seen in the forum they actually do tell the truth... when they say 6hrs 3G internet. It may just be that for some users, when they see 6hrs 3G internet, 8hrs 3G call, 10hrs video, 40 hrs audio and 200 hrs standby,actually think those numbers are cumulative?? How can it be that they put a grand in a device before figuring something like that out. What a great device that would be if it was a 74hrs mixed usage device with 200hrs standby hours on top. Also, standby time is not 200hrs - it would be if the device wasn't touched from the moment it's disconnected from the charger until it dies - which will never happen outside of a lab. What they mean then is 200hrs/100% = 0.5% / hour of drain from standby for the remaining % left on the phone. So if you use the device for 4-5 hours and let's say you have 20% left in the battery, well you have max 40hrs of standby possible with that, not 200.

     

    Further, they have their app store with millions of apps. Isn't it fair to build a testbed with 5 network centric apps running either in the background or with notifications/location - something like that. Shouldn't they include a scenario with 2-4 mail accounts and 5-10 mins push/pull. As they try to make a convincing case for business users... in the business you need to check your mail more more than 1 time per hour.

     

    Isn't it time also to be a bit less agressive with the factory settings. I mean, time zone for instance, what a waste!!! It's also time to reimplement the 3G toggle and make sure every single setting that uses the network can be put to off. Not just for non-Apple app... for built-in features too. Let the user tailor his 3G bandwidth.

     

    I'm not saying Android is better or anything like that. In this particular case of the batterygate, I've come to the conclusion that Apple was unlucky. Underestimating the internet savvy usage trend vs. calls, agressive factory settings, Siri, A5, barely sufficient battery, Qualcomm chip, uneducated and demanding users who don't do maintenance (closing background apps), over resilience of the 3G stack, and weird interconnect of the phone with the carriers - and worshipping, which doesn't help someone have reasonable expectations... a bug was all that was needed for the glass to overflow. And it did "for a small number of users". It may be it took something like this to educate Apple users about battery life and such. Also it reveals the device may not be a real computer replacement in terms of heavy use.

     

    It seems to me those who are happy with smartphones basically use them 2-3 hrs per day, maybe 4 with non network centric uses/local media player use. Whereas those who want 6hrs+ of the 3G experience must be ready to charge them every day once at least.

  • by AppleEsq1,

    AppleEsq1 AppleEsq1 Nov 14, 2011 7:45 PM in response to DaveLibby24
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:45 PM in response to DaveLibby24

    I had what I considered good battery life at first.  I bought the 4S and I could unhook it from my computer at work on Friday and go back to work on Monday and hook it back up.  I used it for telephone and standby.  Two weeks ago I noticed I was really losing battery time.  I was losing 20% an hour in standby.  Noticed it when I went to court in the morning andit was dead.  It had been charged at work the night before.  Bad.  Installed the new update and had no change.  Apple store reset it and it worked well until it synced with the cloud and all settings and apps were back.  Began to lose 20% an hour again.  Wiped it three times since and still have the problem.  Would love to have an Apple engineer collect data from my phone to figure out the problem.

  • by 1AppleADayNoWay,

    1AppleADayNoWay 1AppleADayNoWay Nov 14, 2011 7:54 PM in response to AppleEsq1
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:54 PM in response to AppleEsq1

    Did something change in your setup 2 weeks ago? app/mail/carrier/where you reside/where you work?

  • by man4857,

    man4857 man4857 Nov 14, 2011 7:59 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 7:59 PM in response to Scarface.

    I just got my new iPhone 4S also and along with everyone else, I might be having the battery drain issues.

    But I think there are ways for people to test whether the battery is actually being drained. (Just by doing some simple math and comparing it against the iPhone's rated battery life given by Apple)

     

    According to Apple, the iPhone 4S is advertised to sustain:

    14 hours of talk time on 2G

    8 hours of talk time on 3G

    200 hours of standby time

    6 hours of internet browsing on 3G

    9 hours of internet browsing on Wi-Fi

    10 hours of video playback

    40 hours of audio playback

     

    My goal is to find out, if I were to use one of these features, how fast is the battery theoretically supposed to drain. (minutes of usage per percentage of battery). So I just convert everything to minutes and divide by a fully charged battery (100%) to get:

     

    2G talk time: 840min/100% = 8.4min/1%

    3G talk time: 480min/100% = 4.8min/1%

    Standby time: 12000min/100% = 120min/1%

    3G browsing: 360min/100% = 3.6min/1%

    Wi-Fi browsing: 540min/100% = 5.4min/1%

    Video playback: 600min/100% = 6min/1%

    Audio playback: 2400min/100% = 24min/1%

     

    *Under the assumption that the phone is using default settings of course

     

    I guess with these rates of battery drain, people can have something to benchmark their phone by. Hope it helps.

  • by zSkeptic,

    zSkeptic zSkeptic Nov 14, 2011 9:11 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:11 PM in response to Scarface.

    Here is my best battery performance with my 4S so far:

    photo (1).PNG

     

    Not great but much better than a few days ago.  I was getting ready to return my phone today and miraculously the battery improved.  The iPhone Gods must have heard me.  I've done a total of 3 hard resets, 3 soft resets, 2 battery drains and 2 restores.  The battery drain is still inconsistent.  During the night I was losing between .5% and 1% per hour in stand-by but during the day I would lose 4% to 5% per hour in stand-by during certain periods.  As I have stated previously, I also see accelerated usage during stand-by while I am driving.   I have exchange mail set to fetch every 30 minutes, most notifications turned off, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on, all system services turned off, and WiFi sync turned off.   I tried to use my phone sparingly today so I estimate that 3 to 4 hours is the so called phantom usage.  The balance of my usage was about 30 minutes 3G surfing, 5 or 6 texts, 15 minutes of emails, 10 minutes phone calls and misc apps.

     

    In contrast, here is a shot of my 3GS.  This 3GS does not have an active SIM card but a couple of days ago I was averaging 7% to 10% battery usage per hour in stand-by.  I did a restore with no resets or battery drain and the battery performance has improved dramatically.  Settings are similar to my 4S.  Both phones are running 5.0.1.

     

    photo (2).PNG

  • by Chatwood resident,

    Chatwood resident Chatwood resident Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM in response to Scarface.
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM in response to Scarface.

    A complete 'Restore'..Not a Restore to Backup'  rectified my Iphone 4, drastically reducing battery life problem.

  • by CaliforniaMan,

    CaliforniaMan CaliforniaMan Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM in response to zSkeptic
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM in response to zSkeptic

    I ended up getting my iPhone 4s replaced over the weekend.

     

    In my experiment, I did factory reset the phone, charged to 100%, unplug, went to bed.

    My original iPhone 4s went from 100% to 75% over 8 hour period sitting idle.

     

    In the same experiment, the replacement phone went from 100% to 98% over 10 hour period sitting idle.

     

    here is a snapshot after a day of typical usage. It's about the same as iPhone 4 I had until a few weeks ago.

     

    photo.PNG

  • by zSkeptic,

    zSkeptic zSkeptic Nov 14, 2011 9:32 PM in response to CaliforniaMan
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:32 PM in response to CaliforniaMan

    That is excellent.  Glad to hear that your replacement has great battery life but that only adds to the mystery as to why some phones have stellar performance and others are so poor.  I still am considering replacing my phone.

  • by MeMeMeMeMe,

    MeMeMeMeMe MeMeMeMeMe Nov 14, 2011 9:50 PM in response to MeMeMeMeMe
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:50 PM in response to MeMeMeMeMe

    Well, I repeated the entire process of checking batter life of the 4s after I had re-set it up new phone (factory restore), only in addition to turning off time zone and the other commonly implicated functions, I also completely turned off iCloud, turned off all location services, turned off sending diagnostics data to Apple, and turned off all notifications. I turned off the sending of diagnostics data to Apple because one of the Apple geniuses at the store suggested that some people had success turning this off.  Still, the problem did not go away.  The phone still spends 80 - 90 % of its time in "Usage", without using the phone for anything at all.

     

    IMG_0002.PNG

     

    I'm not saying that this isn't a problem that Apple couldn't fix with a software update.  I'm just saying, hardware-wise, there should be something different about the hardware in my 4s as compared to some of the other 4s's out there (either the way the chips were sourced or something wrong in the manufacture).  Or else, how can this phone be so screwed up after wiping with newly installed 5.0.1 and all relevant services turned off, when other phones work completely fine?  This is a completely fresh install with no third-party software.

     

    I suppose it's possible there is something screwy about Sprint coverage in the area surrounding my place, but I have been seeing  4 + bars here every time I looked at it, I have had no dropped calls, and the battery problem only seems to get worse when I take the phone elsewhere with me.  So I don't think that explains it either.

     

    That, plus, as I posted elsewhere (https://discussions.apple.com/message/16579989#16579989), the batteries still drop rapidly under iOS 5.0 when the phone was in airplane mode, with all ancillary services off, and in this case the phone was *still* spending 80 - 90 % of the time in "Usage", as opposed to in "Standby."  What the heck is this phone doing?

     

    Anyhow, I was nearing the end of the 30-day period, so I just returned the dang thing.  I may wait this out, to see if the battery problems are fixed by Apple.  I couldn't afford to hang on though, not when I hear (secondhand I admit) some people being told by Apple employees that they should be satisfied with 20 - 30 hours of standby time.  I'd be willing to settle for 100 hours standby time (less if I were to use the phone a lot) for a phone without third-party apps, which is still half of what Apple has advertised for the 4x.  I thought the whole purpose of sticking with 3g was because the 4g chips out suck too much power and can't provide enough battery life?  *sigh*

     

     

    MeMeMeMeMe wrote:

     

    Still no success on my 4S after an update to 5.0.1 last night.

     

    1. I performed a clean install of 5.0.1, setting up as a new phone.

    2. Turned off location settings for "setting time zone" and iAds.

    3. Turned off iCloud for e-mail, photostream and documents & data.

    4. Turned off "Ask to Join Networks" under Wi-Fi as specified in Apple description of settings during battery life tests for the 4S.

    5. No installed third-party Apps.

    6. No e-mail servers or other 3rd party servers set up (iCloud only).

    7. Set "battery percentage" to On.

     

    After a couple hours, I then charged the phone up to 100%, then placed it down on the table overnight, with the screen off, about 3 feet from my WiFi router.

     

    After 15 hours with no use whatsoever, the battery is at 20 %.

     

    Paradoxically, under "usage" in general settings, I have "standby" time of 15 hours, 3 minutes, and "usage" time of 13 hours, 7 minutes.  So, once again, if you look up Apple's definitions of "standby" and "usage", this phone has not really been off overnight, despite the fact that it has been sitting on the table doing nothing.

     

    It's been "in use" the entire time.  Doing what?  Expending batteries, one would presume.

     

    Looking in "diagnostics and usage data", I have what looks like thousands of entries titled approximately "awdd_2011-11-10-17-51-39_9…" with the last 9 digits different according to the time of entry. These appear in the log approximately 3 times per minute (once every 20 -30 seconds). They look something like this (an example):

     

    deviceid:  "…"

    isAnonymous:  True

    deviceConfigId:  101

    triggertime:  1320969099175

    triggerId:  589831

    profileId:  10105

    investigationId:  0

    wifiMetricIPv4DHCPLatency {

    dhcpLatencyMilliSecs:1527

    securityType:  2

    timestamp:  1320969099174

    }

     

    Using Google, I tried looking up the triggerId (which seems invariant among the many log entries), but this was not helpful.

     

    Stopped by the Apple store today, and the Geniuses were not very helpful -- did not think that the entries in the data log were anything needed any addressing (which may be true).

     

    I'm just about fed up. I will turn off the rest of iCloud and turn off sending diagnostics and usage data to Apple, then I'll try one more time.  But it looks like I will end up returning this phone at the Apple store and go back to my old phone. The store offered to switch out the phone with one that could be either new or refurbished, but I was told that would mean that the phone could no longer be returned.  Given so many posts from people telling me their phone was switched out but the problems remained, I will probably return it.  At this point, I have no indication that I will end up with a phone that works satisfactorily.

     

    IMG_0001.PNG

  • by 1AppleADayNoWay,

    1AppleADayNoWay 1AppleADayNoWay Nov 14, 2011 10:35 PM in response to MeMeMeMeMe
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    Nov 14, 2011 10:35 PM in response to MeMeMeMeMe

    MeMeMeMeMe wrote:

     

    [...]

     

    I couldn't afford to hang on though, not when I hear (secondhand I admit) some people being told by Apple employees that they should be satisfied with 20 - 30 hours of standby time.  I'd be willing to settle for 100 hours standby time (less if I were to use the phone a lot) for a phone without third-party apps, which is still half of what Apple has advertised for the 4x.

     

    I really commend your analysis. As you've referred to the usage time definition, it includes what Apple calls "background processing such as auto-checking mail" - obviously something out of control in your case. But I wanted to comment on the 20-30hrs standby time people should expect. I find it's some form of acknowledgement by those employees that with most users - contemporary heavy users - this is a 1 day device at most (and an Apple "day" would be about 30 hours instead of 24 lolll). In the sense that such users, with a flawless non draining phone, will use easily up to 80-90% of the battery in a day - 5-6hrs mixed 3G internet/call. And with 10-20% battery left, you should have 20-40hrs standby time on top of that (0.5% per hour x 200 = 100%)... as standby time can only exist in relation to what's left of the battery... maybe they meant something like that...

     

    ... in fact the more I think about it the more I feel that's right, as a pattern I often see with someone who has a normal phone is 5-6hrs usage/ 22-24hrs standby.

  • by miless,

    miless miless Nov 14, 2011 10:39 PM in response to 1AppleADayNoWay
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    Nov 14, 2011 10:39 PM in response to 1AppleADayNoWay

    1AppleADayNoWay wrote:

     

    I think it's time for some regulatory intervention in the field of battery usage specs. There should be some autonomous organization that studies battery usage with real scenarios to give the users a real sense of what to expect. Seems nobody really knows. I mean people put so much money in this mobile industry. Not that Apple doesn't tell the truth - in fact from what I've seen in the forum they actually do tell the truth... when they say 6hrs 3G internet. It may just be that for some users, when they see 6hrs 3G internet, 8hrs 3G call, 10hrs video, 40 hrs audio and 200 hrs standby,actually think those numbers are cumulative?? How can it be that they put a grand in a device before figuring something like that out. What a great device that would be if it was a 74hrs mixed usage device with 200hrs standby hours on top. Also, standby time is not 200hrs - it would be if the device wasn't touched from the moment it's disconnected from the charger until it dies - which will never happen outside of a lab. What they mean then is 200hrs/100% = 0.5% / hour of drain from standby for the remaining % left on the phone. So if you use the device for 4-5 hours and let's say you have 20% left in the battery, well you have max 40hrs of standby possible with that, not 200.

     

    Further, they have their app store with millions of apps. Isn't it fair to build a testbed with 5 network centric apps running either in the background or with notifications/location - something like that. Shouldn't they include a scenario with 2-4 mail accounts and 5-10 mins push/pull. As they try to make a convincing case for business users... in the business you need to check your mail more more than 1 time per hour.

     

    Isn't it time also to be a bit less agressive with the factory settings. I mean, time zone for instance, what a waste!!! It's also time to reimplement the 3G toggle and make sure every single setting that uses the network can be put to off. Not just for non-Apple app... for built-in features too. Let the user tailor his 3G bandwidth.

     

    I'm not saying Android is better or anything like that. In this particular case of the batterygate, I've come to the conclusion that Apple was unlucky. Underestimating the internet savvy usage trend vs. calls, agressive factory settings, Siri, A5, barely sufficient battery, Qualcomm chip, uneducated and demanding users who don't do maintenance (closing background apps), over resilience of the 3G stack, and weird interconnect of the phone with the carriers... a bug was all that was needed for the glass to overflow. And it did "for a small number of users". It may be it took something like this to educate Apple users about battery life and such. Also it reveals the device may not be a real computer replacement in terms of heavy use.

     

    It seems to me those who are happy with smartphones basically use them 2-3 hrs per day, maybe 4 with non network centric uses/local media player use. Whereas those who want 6hrs+ of the 3G experience must be ready to charge them every day once at least.

    What would make you happy?

  • by 1AppleADayNoWay,

    1AppleADayNoWay 1AppleADayNoWay Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM in response to miless
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    Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM in response to miless

    miless wrote:

     

    1AppleADayNoWay wrote:

     

    [...]

    What would make you happy?

     

    N9 casing, Blackberry battery life and secured corporate mail, Apple IOS integration and app store, Android widgets, tweakability and browser zoom "reflow", with WinPhone active tiling that can subside to a grid if I want? Let's not forget swappable battery, micro-sd expansion and standard usb connector. Something like that lollllll I'll concede I'm quite demanding...

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