Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

@davidblackman @stockguru

You guys have tried reinstalling the full 5.0.1? You guys don't explain where you're coming from. When you have a major problem, trying to isolate it may help i.e. reinstalling and starting from scratch with no restore and no apps and building it up from there maybe? It's tedious but it may help pinpoint the problem?

I've consolidated many of the things that were discussed on this thread... here:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/16850561#16850561

Good luck!

the answer is yes, i have tried absolutely everything.  completely deleted all data and restored as new TWICE, everything you can think of.  battery drains at a rate of 30-40 percent per hour, doing nothing!!  i have an appt at genius bar tomorrow and i am going to demand a new phone.  if i have the same problem, returning the iphone for a refund and moving back to my 4, until 5 comes out.  i have had it!!!

Apple changed their policy after April pertaining to user data. The Diagnostic and Privacy statement is in iOS v 5.x.x which tells you what they track and how you can turn it off. (Excellent!) It has nothing to do with the battery, so you want to avoid bizarre speculation. CarrierIQ as it relates to iOS 5.x.x a none issue since users can control reporting.

If I remember correctly you do not have the device so you can of course not see it so here it is as a combined screen shot, which is one of the best policies I have ever seen when it comes to privacy. This is the one and only source since it is after all from Apple. (If you have iOS 5.x.x go to Settings>General>Diagnostics & Usage to find the awdd files and the privacy statement.) It is very clear what they collect and how a user can manage what is shared. It is also clear that they are 100% anonymous. Check the key <value> pair isAnoymous: true for people with iOS 5.x.x. (You want to make sure not speculate when it comes to this stuff so you can check for yourself.) Turning it off in iOS 5.x.x results in no data shared. As explained in the "About Diagnostics and Privacy" link on the device. The Privacy statement also explains how to manage System Services location settings. For those with a valid version of iOS this can be found in Location Settings, scroll down to the bottom.

With it off in iOS 5.x.x no data is shared with Apple, Period. Explicit Consent is legally binding.

The other interesting point is you can view data about application/hardware here as well, what happened, Crash Reporter Information, etc. If the device is jail-broken all bets are off you broke the SLA, TOS.

Thanks and best of luck.

Good luck in the store. You can check your Applecare coverage at https://www.apple.com/support/contact/

That is really the best place to go it you need help.

Thanks and good luck.

Many carriers have plans that can fit your needs but for advice just go to an Apple Store. Talk to someone in person. Do not waste you time with people who do not know what they are doing.

https://www.apple.com/retail/

Best of luck and thanks.

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I'm allowed to speculate however I want. If you took the time to read, you would have seen that it was really a joke replying to this other guy who had made the statement that he hoped this had nothing to do with Carrier IQ. You're really stuck up. I guess you say nothing about this other guy because he's a level 3 and you're a fanboy?

As for the legal stuff, you're a master's in computer science, so I would stick to what I know. You forgot to read http://www.apple.com/privacy/ which contains:

"Service Providers

Apple shares personal information with companies who provide services such as information processing, extending credit, fulfilling customer orders, delivering products to you, managing and enhancing customer data, providing customer service, assessing your interest in our products and services, and conducting  customer research or satisfaction surveys. These companies are obligated to protect your information and may be located wherever Apple operates. "

There's more to "information" than what happens on the phone. You're quite selective. Maybe if you didn't try so hard to prove me wrong you wouldn't ramble and stumble like you do.

A "non-issue" you say? As a "security expert" your opinion is quite disappointing. You fail to take into account a simple scenario such as privilege elevation by a third-party on the device through some malware... there's more to security than removing Macdefender you know.

Finally this is "on by default" from what I gather from your post. Like the vast majority of users who use the device out of the box are going to turn this off. The printscreen you posted indicates that personal information is either not collected or if it is, personnal reference is removed before the data is sent to Apple. This leaves the possibility that personnal data may exist locally and combining this with gaining control of the device may yield more than a user would want to.

I wish you had the ability to make an unbiased argument.

I forgot to add "what about pre-5 history and policies" and if it's all so good and safe then why would Apple pledge to remove any remnants of Carrier IQ in their next update:

"We stopped supporting CarrierIQ with iOS 5 in most of our products and will remove it completely in a future software update. With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, customers must actively opt-in to share this information, and if they do, the data is sent in an anonymous and encrypted form and does not include any personal information. We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so."

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/1/2603719/apple-carrier-iq-support-dropped-from- most-products-with-ios-5/in/2365736

If you had read my posts from yesterday with Miless you would have seen that I readily acknowledged that their "version" of CIQ was less intrusive than what we've seen elsewhere. But I think I'll wait for someone who's really unbiased and competent before drawing any final conclusion on this. I can acknowledge for my part that I don't have all the skills.

Thanks and best of luck!

The statement on the device states the kind of data, it is clear, Explicit Consent. It is very clear when it comes to the device and its transfer of data to Apple. The legal aspects are confirmed, you just cannot pick and choose with that stuff, it is clear. They state exactly how data is collected on the phone and how it is shared, the type of data and the manner in which it is handled. Thus, the Privacy Information on the device supercedes any other document unless the data and manner of transmission is redefined. "None of the collected information identifies you personally." Check what you are looking at to confirm since it states "personal information." What you are looking at relates to Apple ID, electronic PI, address, credit, etc. None of the collected data identifies you.

The technical aspects must fulfil the legal framework stated which it does. I think their privacy statement will be a model for competitors at some point, Apple has always been very forward looking as you know. Is the image hard to read or too low res, if that is the case I can get a high res version.

Apple uses it to enhance the experience which is their thing, not advertising revenue streams. If a company's primary business is personal information they may have a harder time with user privacy.

If users need to explore it for themselves they can check it out right on their phone. The details are in my post above. (Settings>General>About> Diagnostics & Usage, it is right at the bottom.)

The best part about the privacy statement on the Phone is that you get the exact technical instructions on how to turn off the tracking and reporting within the legal framework. It is 100 percent sound.

So, again I think this is one of the best privacy documents I have ever seen.

Thanks and best of luck.

drStrangeP0rk wrote:

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Check what you are looking at to confirm since it states "personal information." What you are looking at relates to Apple ID, electronic PI, address, credit, etc. None of the collected data identifies you.

 

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I can fully read both documents. I acknowledge that no personal information is transmitted to Apple through the diagnostic tool as per their policy document you printed and that no keystroke or message content was ever logged for "diagnostic data" as per their statement. I was trying to elevate your thinking about the meaning of "personal information" in general. I know the difference between data on the phone and information Apple collects on you outside of the phone. You are not a masters of laws so you opinion is that of a layman at best in terms of policy. The wording is important. If they say that the personal information is removed from the diagnostics data before being sent to Apple, it may exist locally in its entirety. If so for how long and can it be extracted. You just don't know this so you cannot logically deny this possibility.

I quote your printscreen: "Personal data is either not logged at all OR is removed from any reports BEFORE they're sent to Apple." (my capitalization). Don't question my ability to read, question yours.

Finally, you failed to take into account all security considerations and you can't provide an explanation for Apple wanting to remove that sound tool...

What's clear is your unflinching bias towards all of this.

I mean, I could go on... for instance why in the last paragraph of your printed policy would Apple need to say that they may provide a subset of the diagnostic information for an app to partners and third-party devs only if the data is aggregated or in a form that doesn't personaly identify you... but I thought a moment ago that NO data/information that would identify you could ever reach Apple? So why the need to aggregate it or reformat it further? Why not include the partners and third-party devs mention to the second paragraph? Are we talking about the data Apple collected and that has reached them, or the data that sits on the phone? And I'm not even asking the question whether that means that a partner or 3rd party dev can have access to a subset of the personal information (pertaining to an app) about you as long as it's in aggregated form. Looking forward to a real pro giving meaning to this...

Thanks and best of luck!

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• 3G: ON
• Location: OFF
• Siri: ON - Raise to Speak: OFF
  
• WiFI Sync: OFF
• icloud: OFF
• Diagnostics: OFF
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While having old micro sim card which had big chip i was loosing 4-5 % in standby.

After changing to new micro sim which has a smaller chip, it looks much better:

Zaff, When you say you were using an old Micro Sim are you talking about a Mini SIM that had been cut down to size? The Micro Sims I have tried are all official Micro Sims and I am not aware to any recent form factor change but maybe their has been.

That's because Apple has your money already. What do they want to bother with you for? I feel ya my friend.

I just pulled it off the charger at 5:15 this morning. I will check it out today and let you know.

I got my old micro sim from O2-Germany. I didn't cut it myself, it was already original. CHIP had the same size  as old normal sims have.

After i asked them for the newest generation of a micro sim, they send me a new one. The only difference is the CHIP SIZE. Sim card itself is as big as old one, but the chip is smaller.

WITH BIG CHIP

WITH SMALL CHIP

PLEASE SEE THE DIFFERENCE OF THE CHIP SIZE!

WHO HAS PHANTOM USAGE SHOULD TRY NEW SIM WITH SMALL CHIP SIZE!

I am sure it is the best policy agreement that you have ever seen. It's Apples!