Q: iPhone 4s Battery Life?

??? How can you say that???

He didn't even say how long the battery lasts...lol

Let's be serious: many users (such as myself) have poor battery life and that isn't related to the use you make of the phone.

BUT there can always be users who have build unrealistic expectations about the battery lifetime and moan about it with no reason!

So, it's pretty clear to me that battery lifetime ALSO depends on the user.

Kind of like the same car (same specs, same fuel, same everything) that, with one person spends 6.5l/100Kms and with other one spends 9l/100Kms...the difference?

The first one did a conservative ridding, progressive accelerations, drove at low speed...the other one did an agressive ridding...agressive acelerations, drove high speed...

@Gooner90

It is very well known that iPhone 4s battery life issue is related to the 3G (and also using the Cellular data over 3G network).

In general when a mobile phone is moving fast (by train, car, etc.) it is always connecting to the closest cell tower (or at least it is trying). It is quite challenging problem for a mobile phone to figure out to which cell tower to connect but fortunately there are good statistical and signall processing algorithms for this and which are covered by patents. This process of connecting from one cell tower to another requires more energy than if the mobile phone would not move. Shortly, travelling fast (switching from one cell tower to another) pushes the mobile phone's battery to dry faster. Now of course there are mobile phones which are better than other phones at doing the switching of cell towers when one travels. For now it looks like iPhone 4s is the worst mobile phone out there at switching cell towers on 3G networks. It looks like iPhone 4s even needs the help of GPS (by default this is on and GPS requires a lot of energy) to figure to what cell tower to connect and this. It looks really bad that iPhone 4S needs the help of GPS to figure out to which tower to connect because there are plenty of dumb phones which are able to connect faster, more efficient, and without using a GPS to the cell towers. The use of GPS setting to connect to a cell tower by iPhone 4s might suggest that the iPhone 4s builders are aware that iPhone 4s is not good a switching cell towers and probably considered that iPhone 4s needs extra help!!!

I guess that Apple worshippers will suggest you:

1) to put your iPhone 4s in airplane mode while you are travelling, or

2) you should keep iPhone 4s charging all the time while you are travelling, or

3) wait for the magical iOS 5.1 which will fix all the issues of iPhone 4s (even that the last 8 releases and betas of iPhone 4s didn't fix yet the batter life issue of iPhone 4s).

On the other hand, I suggest that you should take your phone to the Apple store and explain them the problem and ask for a replacement or a refund!

I would recommend resetting network connections. The "bug" in iOS 5 seems to be related to a process getting hung up. Supposedly that has been addressed in iOS 5.1 B3.

Settings>General>Reset? Reset Network settings

You will have to add back any wi-fi connections after doing this. Also some users have seen good results with 9A406 build helping some.

Gooner90 wrote:

 

Hi,

I bought a 32GB black iPhone 4S on 17th December 2011. I have been using it over a month now and everything was going great until yesterday.

I had absolutely no battery problems or any other issues up until yesterday.

 

But yesterday, all of a sudden, I noticed my phone started getting a bit too Hot for my liking. I was travelling in a train listening to music and my pocket felt very warm. I use the phone with a protective case so I initially freaked out that it might be because of the case. But it wasnt to be. The phone remained very warm even when it was outside the case.

The problem subsided in the night, and I could use 3G without any issues.

 

However, the problem restarted once again today morning. The phone got really warm when I was travelling. I googled the problem and someone suggested it might be due to Edge/3g. So, I disabled 3G and the phone subsequently cooled down.

Even right now, whenever I turn on 3G, it begins to overheat and the battery drains dramatically, and when I toggle the 3G switch to OFF, the phone cools down.

 

This issue is extremely strange for me since I have been using 3G for well over a week and didnt face this problem earlier. I dont know what's wrong with my phone.

Also, I have 'Location services' and 'Automatically set time zone' already OFF.

 

 

Please advise about what should I do? Should I update to build 9A406? I am on iOS 5.0.1 (9A405).

@EdiMC

EdiMC wrote:

 

??? How can you say that???

He didn't even say how long the battery lasts...lol

Because I assume that one who takes his time and energy to post here must have to begin with a real issue with the iPhone 4s!

Also even Wozniak acknowldged the battery life issue on his iPhone 4s!!! LOL

I have not noticed that Apple worshipers assume that one who dares to complain here about iPhone 4s:

1) is not smart, or

2) has low IQ, or

3) has unrealistic expectations, or

4) keeps lights on 24/7 home, or

5) needs license to own an iPhone 4s, ...

BUT there can always be users who have build unrealistic expectations about the battery lifetime and moan about it with no reason!

There is no such thing as unrealistic expectations! The client/customer is always right! You just assume here that majority of people who are posting here have unrealistic expectations and I assume that the majority that the majority of people who are psoting here have realizstic expectations! I assume that they have used a mobile phone before owning a iPhone 4s and I also assume that using/owning an iPhone 4s does not require and license or having a high IQ score.

So, it's pretty clear to me that battery lifetime ALSO depends on the user.

This forum is about the battery life of iPhone 4s being miserable compared to iPhone 4 or any other smart phone. This forum is not about assuming from the beginning that that users have unrealistic expectations and/or that they play play games on their iPhone 4s until the batteries die and afterwards coming here to complain about the battery life!

Kind of like the same car (same specs, same fuel, same everything) that, with one person spends 6.5l/100Kms and with other one spends 9l/100Kms...the difference?

The first one did a conservative ridding, progressive accelerations, drove at low speed...the other one did an agressive ridding...agressive acelerations, drove high speed...

You got it wrong! Most of the people here complain about the  battery life of iPhone 4s which is not even close to specification and also being much worse than iPhone 4. Shortly, I am repharsing your example:

Kind of like the same car (same specs, same fuel, same everything) that, with one person spends 6.5l/100Kms and with other one spends 43l/100Kms...the difference? (note: I changed 9 to 43)

Would you return the car which consumes 43 l per 100 kms and in the specification it says that it should consume 6,5 l per 100 kms? I bet that you would! Does it matter here how you drove the car? I do not think so. the consumption of 43 l per 100 kms is so bad that the kind of ridding does not matter anymore.

In my case the battery life of iPhone 4s is around ~15% of the specification in real life and with very light specification so 6,5 l represents 15% of 43 l.

Trying to understand what's wrong and what can I do to improve my experience with the 4S, doesn't make me an "Apple worshipper".

Just makes me a person with a good common sense.

You need to understand that, in some cases, the problems are caused by the users (who don't know what they're buying or how to use it - YEAH, IT HAPPENS!!). In some cases there is in fact problems with the phone.

Choosing to not aknowledge this, is silly.

So, before you go running out the door, you need to detect what's really wrong! "Is it me? Or is it the phone?"

Simple as that!

But maybe that's just me...

P.S. I understand what you're saying. ****, I have tried everything in order to get a better battery lifetime and just can't! There's something wrong with my phone, no matter what I do/Use it!

But there are some things to consider, for instance: users who had iPhones 4 with no problems at all, migrated to iOS 5 and started to have low autonomy...there's something "buggy" in the software! In my case, when I remove the SIM card, the battery lasts for 6 days in Standby! Why such an enormous difference??

Although I agree with you in some points, I just think you are thinking in a straight line. These situations are not "black or white", there are many grey areas!

Cheers!

LOOK, I didnt tell Gooner to turn everything off!  Or put in airplane mode (never have suggested either of those to anyone). But recommended something constructive. You were almost making a contribution for the FIRST time here then blew it rather quickly.

The piece you were almost correct on was the whole switching towers deal.

[Quote from user in another forum]

"The push.apple.com connection in netstat transmits most of the i-services - anything from find my phone to diagnostics. The problem is - it's very aggressive and often trips and stalls, especially if you are moving between data masts while it's transmitting. This results in the phone aggressively polling all possible backup connections and even mast jumping - as a result the phone doesn't properly sleep, often gets warm from background services trying desperately to request data connection through another mast and phantom "usage" stats grow when phone should be sleeping. "

Resolved with 5.1 B3. Of course we will have to wait and see but it makes total since and seems to describe exactly what some (not 80%) of users are experiencing. I know, I know, you still believe it is not and never will be fixed and that there were are 10 or so iOS fixes for battery that didnt work blah blah and thats ok. You can believe what you want. Not forcing "my religion ", as you say on you.

enx23 wrote:

 

@Gooner90

 

It is very well known that iPhone 4s battery life issue is related to the 3G (and also using the Cellular data over 3G network).

 

In general when a mobile phone is moving fast (by train, car, etc.) it is always connecting to the closest cell tower (or at least it is trying). It is quite challenging problem for a mobile phone to figure out to which cell tower to connect but fortunately there are good statistical and signall processing algorithms for this and which are covered by patents. This process of connecting from one cell tower to another requires more energy than if the mobile phone would not move. Shortly, travelling fast (switching from one cell tower to another) pushes the mobile phone's battery to dry faster. Now of course there are mobile phones which are better than other phones at doing the switching of cell towers when one travels. For now it looks like iPhone 4s is the worst mobile phone out there at switching cell towers on 3G networks. It looks like iPhone 4s even needs the help of GPS (by default this is on and GPS requires a lot of energy) to figure to what cell tower to connect and this. It looks really bad that iPhone 4S needs the help of GPS to figure out to which tower to connect because there are plenty of dumb phones which are able to connect faster, more efficient, and without using a GPS to the cell towers. The use of GPS setting to connect to a cell tower by iPhone 4s might suggest that the iPhone 4s builders are aware that iPhone 4s is not good a switching cell towers and probably considered that iPhone 4s needs extra help!!!

 

 

I guess that Apple worshippers will suggest you:

1) to put your iPhone 4s in airplane mode while you are travelling, or

2) you should keep iPhone 4s charging all the time while you are travelling, or

3) wait for the magical iOS 5.1 which will fix all the issues of iPhone 4s (even that the last 8 releases and betas of iPhone 4s didn't fix yet the batter life issue of iPhone 4s).

 

On the other hand, I suggest that you should take your phone to the Apple store and explain them the problem and ask for a replacement or a refund!

@EdiMC

EdiMC wrote:

 

Trying to understand what's wrong and what can I do to improve my experience with the 4S, doesn't make me an "Apple worshipper".

Assuming that a user who posts here does not have a real issue with his/her iPhone 4s to begin with makes one an Apple worshipper!

 

You need to understand that, in some cases, the problems are caused by the users (who don't know what they're buying or how to use it - YEAH, IT HAPPENS!!).

Exactly my point, you assume that user's fault to begin with! I assume that the user knows what they bought and that their issues with iPhone 4s are real and that most likely the issue is with the iPhone 4s and not with the user!

Choosing to not aknowledge this, is silly.

Is it silly to assume that a user who posts on Apple forum called "iPhone 4 battery life?" does not know how to use iPhone 4s to begin with? I do not think so.... I have to say that one has really low opinion of other iPhone 4s's users.

So, before you go running out the door, you need to detect what's really wrong! "Is it me? Or is it the phone?"

Simple as that!

It is not simple as that! Do you think that when a person goes to a medical doctor, the medical doctor assumes from the beginning that that person is faking the simptoms? As I wrote above one has really low opinion about people if his first assumption is that one does not know how to use iPhone 4s and one is not smart enough to own a iPhone 4s.

But maybe that's just me...

Yes, it is you plus other Apple worshippers.

@sbailey4

sbailey4 wrote:

 

LOOK, I didnt tell Gooner to turn everything off! 

Did I write to turn off everything?

 

Resolved with 5.1 B3.

Let's see if that is the case!

Of course we will have to wait and see but it makes total since and seems to describe exactly what some (not 80%) of users are experiencing.

Ok, if you are so picky than I will say the 79% of all iPhone 4s are affected by the battery life issue and/or static noise issue!  Happy?

I know, I know, you still believe it is not and never will be fixed and that there were are 10 or so iOS fixes for battery that didnt work blah blah and thats ok.

I do not believe. I stated facts that the last 8 releases/betas of iOS didn't fix the batter life issues! These are facts and not beliefs!!! Do you mean that these are not facts?

enx23 wrote:

 

@EdiMc

 

 

EdiMC wrote:

 

moe-4-me wrote:

 

hi guys i need a solutions to fix my iphone 4 battery life how?

That depends on numerous factors...what kind of user are you? Light? Moderate? Heavy? What options have you turned ON/OFF at the moment?

The battery life issue of iPhone 4s does not depend on the user!!!!!

 

Also turning off settings is not a solution!

 

I suggest that moe-4-me returns the iPhone 4s or get are refund! It is better to let Apple deal with the issue!

Battery life depends on a number of factors.  What the user DOES with it is very important, though.  Or are you saying turning off functions you won't use at all won't impact battery life? 

It is a fact that ANY function the phone performs uses battery power.  Choosing between which ones you need, and which you don't WILL affect your battery life.

Assuming that a user who posts here does not have a real issue with his/her iPhone 4s to begin with makes one an Apple worshipper!

But I do have problems with my phone! Didn't you read my posts??? I'm just trying to gather all the pieces in order to try to undertsand what's really wrong. Why? Because I don't like the idea of my 600€ phone being delivered to someone that is going to take it on a journey from Portugal to Apple's Care Center in Europe and back. Sorry, had many bad experiences with technicall assistances and that doesn't allow me do do that without consider it VERY WELL (Once I sent my laptop abroad, and a BRICK came in it's place! yes...A BRICK!!)

Exactly my point, you assume that user's fault to begin with! I assume that the user knows what they bought and that their issues with iPhone 4s are real and that most likely the issue is with the iPhone 4s and not with the user!

 

Is it silly to assume that a user who posts on Apple forum called "iPhone 4 battery life?" does not know how to use iPhone 4s to begin with? I do not think so.... I have to say that one has really low opinion of other iPhone 4s's users.

 

It is not simple as that! Do you think that when a person goes to a medical doctor, the medical doctor assumes from the beginning that that person is faking the simptoms? As I wrote above one has really low opinion about people if his first assumption is that one does not know how to use iPhone 4s and one is not smart enough to own a iPhone 4s.

I'm assuming nothing! That's your (wrong) interpretation of what I wrote.

I'm just saying that it is very nahive of you to think that ALL users use/know the iPhone down to it's last resource...

Yes, it is you plus other Apple worshippers....

Already answered to that...it is you who is failing to understand...and it is you who is acting like an Apple hater...You never saw me say that there aren't real issues with the phone (I dare you to find ONE post of me saying that!). But it's wrong to say that EVERYONE who comes here, knows their equipment top to bottom! That's just not true! And the proof is that you can still read many posts here asking for help with the most basic questions on how to save battery. And many here  solved their issues with simple solutions like turning Automatic time zone, Pin Code, Auto-light off...

It seems to me that you are the one thinking that because people have Apple equipments, they have to be super-bright...to me it's just NORMAL to assume that NO ONE knows everything! 

But because there's nothing else I can say or write for you to change your mind about what you (think) I think, to me, further discussion is pointless...

Godd luck

EdiMC wrote:

 

Trying to understand what's wrong and what can I do to improve my experience with the 4S, doesn't make me an "Apple worshipper".

Just makes me a person with a good common sense.

 

You need to understand that, in some cases, the problems are caused by the users (who don't know what they're buying or how to use it - YEAH, IT HAPPENS!!). In some cases there is in fact problems with the phone.

Choosing to not aknowledge this, is silly.

 

So, before you go running out the door, you need to detect what's really wrong! "Is it me? Or is it the phone?"

Simple as that!

But maybe that's just me...

 

 

 

 

P.S. I understand what you're saying. ****, I have tried everything in order to get a better battery lifetime and just can't! There's something wrong with my phone, no matter what I do/Use it!

But there are some things to consider, for instance: users who had iPhones 4 with no problems at all, migrated to iOS 5 and started to have low autonomy...there's something "buggy" in the software! In my case, when I remove the SIM card, the battery lasts for 6 days in Standby! Why such an enormous difference??

 

Although I agree with you in some points, I just think you are thinking in a straight line. These situations are not "black or white", there are many grey areas!

 

 

Cheers!

There are reports of some SIM cards with applications on them which aren't really functional on the 4S.  You might check on getting a new SIM card.  I am not familiar with SIM applications, but was told I couldn't just take the SIM card from the 4 I was using, and put it in the 4S.  They put in a new SIM card, and entered the data in my contacts from the old one.  This may be a carrier specific issue, so you might check with your carrier.

Yep Those are not facts. There have only been 3 releases on iOS 5. iOS 5 release, iOS 5.0.1 (9A405) and iOS 5.0.1 (9A406) update. The last one being a minor change to one item so kept the same release #.  So really a release and a point update is all.  BTW 5.0.1 DID fix a lot of battery issues for a LOT of folks. Again you are not stating facts.  Lastly you cannot count alpha or beta or non released firmware/software when ranting that x, y or z is not fixed. That is idiotic logic.

enx23 wrote:

 

 

I do not believe. I stated facts that the last 8 releases/betas of iOS didn't fix the batter life issues! These are facts and not beliefs!!! Do you mean that these are not facts?

 

 

 

enx23 wrote:

 

@sbailey4

 

 

sbailey4 wrote:

 

LOOK, I didnt tell Gooner to turn everything off! 

Did I write to turn off everything?

 

 

 

Resolved with 5.1 B3.

Let's see if that is the case!

 

YES, many times.

 

 

Of course we will have to wait and see but it makes total since and seems to describe exactly what some (not 80%) of users are experiencing.

Ok, if you are so picky than I will say the 79% of all iPhone 4s are affected by the battery life issue and/or static noise issue!  Happy?

 

No.  It is still about 50 time more than the real number having trouble.  (MY Estimate, which has to be at least as good as the on you have).

 

 

I know, I know, you still believe it is not and never will be fixed and that there were are 10 or so iOS fixes for battery that didnt work blah blah and thats ok.

I do not believe. I stated facts that the last 8 releases/betas of iOS didn't fix the batter life issues! These are facts and not beliefs!!! Do you mean that these are not facts?

 

 

 

If you are looking for a magic bullet to fix every issue for everyone, I doubt that will happen.  The phone has just so much battery capacity, and how it is used depends on the USER, so he should make the decision just HOW that power is used.  IOS5.01 did fix some problems.  Did it fix hardware problems?  No.  Did it mitigate some of the battery issues, certainly. 

I have to say that using GPS to connect to a Radio Basestation or finding one is totally incorrect.

enx23 wrote:

 

@ENX23

 

It is very well known that iPhone 4s battery life issue is related to the 3G (and also using the Cellular data over 3G network).

 

In general when a mobile phone is moving fast (by train, car, etc.) it is always connecting to the closest cell tower (or at least it is trying). It is quite challenging problem for a mobile phone to figure out to which cell tower to connect but fortunately there are good statistical and signall processing algorithms for this and which are covered by patents. This process of connecting from one cell tower to another requires more energy than if the mobile phone would not move. Shortly, travelling fast (switching from one cell tower to another) pushes the mobile phone's battery to dry faster. Now of course there are mobile phones which are better than other phones at doing the switching of cell towers when one travels. For now it looks like iPhone 4s is the worst mobile phone out there at switching cell towers on 3G networks. It looks like iPhone 4s even needs the help of GPS (by default this is on and GPS requires a lot of energy) to figure to what cell tower to connect and this. It looks really bad that iPhone 4S needs the help of GPS to figure out to which tower to connect because there are plenty of dumb phones which are able to connect faster, more efficient, and without using a GPS to the cell towers. The use of GPS setting to connect to a cell tower by iPhone 4s might suggest that the iPhone 4s builders are aware that iPhone 4s is not good a switching cell towers and probably considered that iPhone 4s needs extra help!!!

 

 

I guess that Apple worshippers will suggest you:

1) to put your iPhone 4s in airplane mode while you are travelling, or

2) you should keep iPhone 4s charging all the time while you are travelling, or

3) wait for the magical iOS 5.1 which will fix all the issues of iPhone 4s (even that the last 8 releases and betas of iPhone 4s didn't fix yet the batter life issue of iPhone 4s).

 

On the other hand, I suggest that you should take your phone to the Apple store and explain them the problem and ask for a replacement or a refund!

As a second post. I am totally baffled at the energy consumption of the iPhone 4s. Picked up a 32gig yesterday on a new contract and was on charge till 5pm. Battery was at 100%. I have made 8 mins of phone calls, sent 2.2meg of data and received 17.6meg as of this moment today.

This would have been less this morning when i woke up but from 5pm to 6.30am this morning, the battery was on about 13%, so in 13.5hrs with little to no usage, 87% of my battery was drained. No games or anything. I have facebook and twitter on it.

My Blackberry Bold 9700 which i have just upgraded from would last a good two days at least and thats with playing games on and receiving emails constantly.

Pretty shocked at the 4s. This is my first venture into iPhone, i'll give it time but jesus its pretty bad.

I have an iPod Touch 4g which all of a sudden after a couple of months suffered badly from battery drain. Took it to an Apple Store who said the drain was too high and replaced it saying the iPod was faulty. My partner has a iPad2 which again has no problems with battery drain although that is a wifi only model.

My partner also picked up a 4s at the same time, i may put them together and watch the battery drain to see which is worse........