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Deyano Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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Oct 19, 2011 4:20 AM

Hey Gang,

 

Been using iWeb since its inception. I've learned to love it.

 

Well- with the begining of iCloud and the transition away from MobileMe I see the writing on the wall. I realize alot of people will continue to use iWeb but I want to be proactive as I have several business websites created on my iMac.

 

About 2 years ago I had a strange backup issue and lost everything. I nearly switched off of iWeb at that time but I just loved it too much.

 

I want to start making the switch sooner than later as I know that Apple will eventually not support iWeb. It's only a matter of time before there is some quirk with a new OS version and it probably just won't open or whatever it may be...

 

So- yesterday I spent 12 hours and tried out each of these sites: Wix, Snappages, Webs, Intuit Websites, Weebly, Yola, Google Sites, Jimdo, Roxer, Neosites, Vistaprint, Moonfruit, and Squarespace.

 

They all left ALOT to be desired except Squarespace. I think it has potential.

 

As an alternative, I also downloaded Adobe Muse and did not like it at all. I used Rapidweaver in the past and didn't think much of it. I see their new version is packed with tons of extra costs- no thanks!

 

I'm left with Sandvox which I am going to try today.

 

Here's my question: What do you folks suggest? Moving away from actual software (Sandvox)? Transitioning to web-based (Squarespace) ? I really like the drag/drop functionality of iWeb but realize I might have to make some concessions!

 

A concern is working on multiple sites that reside on my comouter and constantly having to backup. I might be creating 2-3 more sites for friends so that would mean I have close to 10. Do I really want to do that and essentially become a webmaster? No so sure.

 

I welcome all suggestions!

 

PS- I'm not a newbie but I also have not created and uploaded via an ftp/host. I do however have domains etc...

I'd like to do what is easiest and makes the most sense in the long run..

 

D

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.2)
  • Ethmoid Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)
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    Oct 19, 2011 5:18 AM (in response to Deyano)

    There is always DreamWeaver, but if you have a domain name and then purchase hosting space from a company such as HostExcellence or GoDaddy - (which you will have to do before next year anyway), you can look into using the Content Management Systems or CMS's such as http://wordpress.org, http://www.drupal.org or http://www.joomla.org.

     

    Using these, you can design a website as well as including a Blog and Forums etc.  People can also have their own log in codes for the site and can have their own space.

     

    If you are prepared to purchase web hosting space with your domain name, then this could be the way forward - GoDaddy I know will automatically load Drupal or Joomla and WordPress, but you do need server space for this as it needs a database for installation purposes.

  • Roddy Level 6 Level 6 (17,255 points)
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    Oct 19, 2011 9:37 AM (in response to Deyano)

    A few months ago I had a look around at what was available in the way of software and you can download a PDF from this page under "Alternative Website Design Software"...

     

    http://www.iwebformusicians.com/iWeb/Why-iWeb.html

     

    The main alternatives to iWeb, such as Sandvox and RapidWeaver, were not an option for me since they suffer from the same restrictions and cost a lot more. The other available drag and drop style software is either flawed or like, Freeway, antiquated and badly designed.

     

    The online site builders do seem to offer a good alternative but they can be just as restrictive, cost a lot more and still produce huge ammounts of code. Some claim to be free but you need to look at the real cost - especially if you have more than one site. They do offer portable versions of the site suitable for iPhone etc and this has become a necessity - at least for a business site.

     

    I chose to move on to a code entry style software and this has proved to be fairly easy since the one I use is WYSIWYG and I can see the changes in real time in the preview window. Its also cheaper than RapidWeaver and Sandvox and doesn't require add ons to optimize and upload the files.

     

    HTML5 will allow us to build better, more efficient websites but its not quite there yet. If I hadn't made the move to code entry software I think I would have been tempted to stick with iWeb for the time being and use one of the online site builders to create a separate portable version for cell phones as a stop gap.

     

    There has got to be a better way to create websites using drag and drop and I believe something will come along that will make apps like iWeb, Sandvox and RapidWeaver redundant. After all, why did Apple quit on iWeb?

     

    iWeb does offer two alternatives for publishing...

     

    http://www.iwebformusicians.com/iWeb/Publish-Website.html

     

    ... and there's any amount of hosting out there...

     

    http://www.iwebformusicians.com/iWeb/Website-Hosting.html

     

    The  MobileMe only features can be replaced with alternatives if you need them...

     

    http://www.iwebformusicians.com/iWeb/Comments-Password-Protect.html

     

    "I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link."

  • Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (113,175 points)
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    Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM (in response to Deyano)

    iWeb will still be usable for some time but, as Roddy mentioned, there will come a time when we will have to find an alternative. At least we have some time to experiment with other apps before we have to let iWeb go.

     

    As for other considerations this may be of some help to you: Life After MobileMe.

     

    OT

     


     

     

  • Roddy Level 6 Level 6 (17,255 points)
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    Oct 19, 2011 2:01 PM (in response to Deyano)

    You can't import an iWeb built site into Sandvox although you can into any code entry style software.

     

    Unfortunately, online site building is probably the answer if you want others with no coding experience to be able to maintain them.

     

    I've never considered this way of creating a website due to the limitations and cost. A lot of the musicians I have helped moved away from HostBaby to iWeb because they couldn't design what they wanted and the real cost is about $200 per year.

     

    Weebly, for example, claims to be free but look at what you get in the free version! Also, you are stuck with their media players and some of these are less then desirable. Online site builders produced bloated code just the same as drag and drop software so they aren't any better at producing websites for mobile devices.

     

    I did create a site at...

     

    http://mobile.wix.com/

     

    ... but the amount of code required for a simple site makes your head spin.

     

    Sandvox does have opportunities for customization if you want to get your hands dirty with some css...

     

    http://www.karelia.com/sandvox/help/z/Sandvox_Designers_Guide.html

     

    The thing is, if you can handle css, you could create a lot better and more versatile website outside of Apps like Sandvox and RapidWeaver.

  • josemari Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
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    Oct 19, 2011 3:38 PM (in response to Deyano)

    Mobileme webhosting will be gone next June. iWeb is not going anywhere and should continue to work for perhaps some years. It's so easy to use and produces such elegant results that I'm not going to abandon it just yet.

  • Ethmoid Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)
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    Oct 20, 2011 8:32 AM (in response to Deyano)

    You need to be careful with RapidWeaver or you could find yourself forking out a lot of extra cash for all the add ons that you might need to purchase.

     

    Have your tried Freeway Express or Pro?  That might be an alternative too and you can start with a blank whereas you can't with RapidWeaver or Sandvox.

  • Roddy Level 6 Level 6 (17,255 points)
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    Oct 20, 2011 9:52 AM (in response to Deyano)

    Snappages has some neat designs but I would be wary of the depedency on flash.

     

    None of the showcase sites appear to have any other type of media content apart from these ugly old YouTube movies.

     

    I think I would want to check out their code injection before commiting.

     

    The other thing I noticed was the absence of the viewport meta tag. I would ask their support if they have any plans to make their designs compatible with portable devices.

  • salty777 Level 3 Level 3 (540 points)
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    Nov 6, 2011 9:06 PM (in response to Deyano)

    Folks, for what it's worth I've delved into this too. iWeb is brilliant, easy to use and produces great results... but is now unsupported.

     

    I downloaded trials for Rapidweaver, Sandvox and Freeway.... and in my opinion they're all crap compared to iWeb. Clumsy, totally illogical and about as far away from Apple's "user friendly" interfaces as you can get.

     

    In any one, you do something that seems reasonable (like import a graphic into a pre-sized box) and all **** breaks loose! It's so frustrating.... I've just spent three evenings trying to re-size a .PNG file to fit the box in one of the above, and have now given up!

     

    Of the three, Freeway seems to be the more capable, but goodness me does it make life hard.... wake up programmers, this is 2011.... have a look at Apps on the iPad.... easy to use, make sense to Humans!!

     

    I can't understand why Apple are ditching iWeb... website design is not dying a death like Hypercard or the CLI... I'm crossing my fingers that something better is about to appear on iCloud.

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