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  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    OK. Wait. You are talking about an Album. Sorry - OK, got it.

     

    So are Images *ONLY* in Projects and

    Pointers *ONLY* in Albums?

     

    Thanks.

  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (63,990 points)

    Oh crimeny. I thought I had it.

     

    You are saying that I can have IMAGES and POINTERS in a PROJECT but I can only have POINTERS in an ALBUM?? Yes?

     

    No, I sincerely hope that is not what I was saying, or I must have expressed myself badly at some point, perhaps when I mentioned referenced masters or  when I pointed out that all edited versions of an image are bound to the original image and have to reside in the same project - I apologize for any confusion.

    • The project is the unique home location of the images; the projects only contain images and alternate versions of this images (or movies, if you also record movies) - If you have a referenced library, then these images will be references to an image files outside aperture, but this is conceptually a very different reference from the one that you have between projects and albums.  When you organize your your images in projects and decide in which project they belong, there is no need to consider the difference between referenced and managed images,  you can move both kinds of images between the projects in the same way.
    • Albums are subsets of images and contain references to images in projects, and describe a relation between a projects and albums. Albums only contain references, that you got right.
    • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,405 points)

      Hi Jon.  It's important to me that you realize that these questions have been answered several times already.  If you don't understand the answers, you should use your test Library (another recommendation you appear to have not followed) and try things out.  It almost seems as if you are trying to master Aperture without using it (or without breaking it -- which is why one uses a test Library to learn).  At the risk of a hackneyed proverb: you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs -- and you are trying to bake a soufflé on your first time in the kitchen.

       

      A. "Original" does not describe anything in Aperture, but I get your meaning.  A useful temporary answer is "Yes.  If you have two identical Images based on separate but identical Masters then either the file that became the Master was imported twice or the Image created when it was first imported was copied from the Project in which it resided to another Project.  Note that this copying of Images from one Project to another is unlikely, as one has to go out of one's way to do it, and they are good reasons not to do so.

       

      B. "Pointer" is a helpful term when explaining Aperture, but does describe anything the user has access to while using Aperture.  I assume you mean an Image.  This is an example of something you should try out.  I find it useful to have "Project Path" shown on the Metadata tab of the Inspector when I am experimenting with things like this.

       

      C. Answered repeatedly.

       

      D. In Aperture one "adjusts" Images.  The term is specific and meaningful.  This is another excellent example of something you can learn quickly by doing.  They are not necessarily the same thing.  Why?

       

      E. Your Masters are files.  Managed Masters are included in the Aperture Library package that shows in Finder as a file.  Every copy of the Library includes copies of your Managed Masters.

    • hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

      Hi Allen.

       

      I haven't heard you elaborate on this yet even though I see you have posted it a number of times.

       

      Is there a url or some additional info you can provide on it?

       

      It is a really important issue and one that I have not seen covered by others.

       

      Thanks.

    • hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

      Thanks. I think you got me out of the weeds over here. God - thank you.

       

      Is there some way to turn on a little "this is a unedited version" and "this is an edited version" and "this is a link" symbol for images that all look exactly the same to me? I mean, if I basically duplicate a Project in an Album because I want to use all these images - the only way I can tell them apart from what I can see is to try and find out whether I have an Album or a Project selected?

       

      Also, does Aperture only give you the "are you sure you want to delete the Master" prompt (even though it is much less direct than this) - when you are deleting a "Pointer" in an Album or a "Version" in a Project - that is either linked to, or is the last Version that references the Master?

       

      I mean, assuming, I have Versions and then Edited Versions - can I delete the original Version and all the edited Versions and will Aperture only delete the Master when it is deleting basically the last LINK (in the form of a Edited or un-edited Version) to it?

       

      Tricky but I think I get it:

       

      1. Links are in Albums and link to Versions

      2. Versions are in Projects and link to Masters

      3. Edited Versions are in Projects and link to Masters

       

      A. Delete the last Version and you Delete the Master (assuming you approve the oddly worded prompt).

      B. Delete a Link (in an Album) and you delete the Version and /all/ the other Links in other Albums. Note you /also/ delete the Master because if you delete the Version the Master also gets deleted (assuming it is the only Version from that Master). Note that you also have to approve the oddly worded prompt which is oddly the same prompt you get when you delete the (last?) Version.

       

      Sound about right??

    • hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

      Hi Kirby.

       

      Thanks. I think I have been able to get there with a combination of all of the tools available (Google, Help Menu, Testing, Breaking Eggs etc) - along with /your/ great answers. So thanks.

       

      A last follow up with you on this one. Most of the below is just a quote of your original answer. Anything in Caps means I have not seen it explained before.

       

      > A. "Original" does not describe anything in Aperture, but I get your meaning.  A useful temporary answer is "Yes.  If you have two identical Images based on separate but identical Masters then either the file that became the Master was imported twice or the Image created when it was first imported was copied from the Project in which it resided to another Project.  Note that this copying of Images from one Project to another is unlikely, as one has to go out of one's way to do it, and they are good reasons not to do so.<

       

      OK. Is there a way to /visually/ tell the difference between having run a "Duplicate Version" or a "New Version From Master" on a Version in a Project and having an ACTUAL DUPLICATED MASTER (an image that was imported twice into Aperture)? Is it possible that I simply accidentally /copied/ Versions from Project to Project and ALSO have DUPLICATE VERSIONS in some way? If so, is there a way to visually tell the difference between these?

       

      Is there a way to remove DUPLICATED MASTERS or DUPLICATED VERSIONS?

       

      Also, WHY IS IT THAT SOMETIMES APERTURE GIVES ME THIS PROMPT WHEN I DELETE SOMETHING IN AN PROJECT AND SOMETIMES IT DOES NOT:

       

      "Some versions based on these master files are included in other albums. These versions will be removed from all Albums, Books, Light Tables, Web Pages, Web Journals, Slideshows, MobileMe Albums, Flickr Albums, and Facebook Albums."

       

      Some are Copies of Versions (which don't directly link back to the Master) and some are Versions which do link back to the Master?

       

      B. "Pointer" is a helpful term when explaining Aperture, but does describe anything the user has access to while using Aperture.  I assume you mean an Image.  This is an example of something you should try out.  I find it useful to have "Project Path" shown on the Metadata tab of the Inspector when I am experimenting with things like this.

       

      Thanks. How do I do this? I see the Matadata Tab that is next to the Library Tab. Also, is there a way to see Metadata so that it is connected to the actual image? If I am going back and forth between Metadata Tab and Library Tab I am finding it hard to know when I am in a Project (looking at Images) and when I am in an Album (looking at Links or Pointers).

       

      When I say Pointers I am basically talking about a LINK to an Image that resides in an ALBUM, no?

       

      C. (My Answer) Albums contain Links (to Versions), and Projects contain Versions that link to Masters (which in the case of a Managed Library get handled by Aperture so you don't touch these). Delete the Link and you delete the Version and the Master. Delete the Version and you delete the Links (that link to it) and you delete the Master.

       

      > D. In Aperture one "adjusts" Images.  The term is specific and meaningful.  This is another excellent example of something you can learn quickly by doing.  They are not necessarily the same thing.  Why? <

       

      I don't know what you are driving at here so I can't test it out but I guess you are saying that one can have Versions and have Edited Versions that both are tied in some way back to the same Master?

       

      E. Your Masters are files.  Managed Masters are included in the Aperture Library package that shows in Finder as a file.  Every copy of the Library includes copies of your Managed Masters.

       

      Thanks. I'm a bit confused as to why I sometimes get a prompt that these are going to be deleted when I delete a Version (with the same image as a Master) and why I sometimes /don't/ get a prompt that the Master is going to get deleted. Is there some way that I have DUPLICATED the Versions and I am not getting a prompt with these Duplicates?

       

      IS THERE A WAY TO visually TELL WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT A DUPLICATE VERSION AND WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE "ORIGINAL" VERSION? I mean, if I want to get rid of these do I have to just click on them one by one and /not/ delete the ones that I get a warning for and /do/ delete the ones I /don't get a warning for??

       

      Thanks.

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