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  • poptasticdave Level 1 (0 points)


  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,335 points)

    poptasticdave wrote:


    Was Steve Jobs really the only "Apple" person who understood the world?

    Is that your question?

  • poptasticdave Level 1 (0 points)


  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,335 points)

    Alongside how to turn iCloud off completely, how to retrieve e-mail off iCloud in a format that can still be read (mac mail refusing to open mail which has been moved off iCloud to a local e-mail folder within macMail ... go figure!) and how to get Apple to understand that users are frustrated ... yes. However, the Steve Jobs question is a rhetorical one, whilst the others are as important (and infuriating) to me as they are to everyone else on this thread to date.


    I'm currently in the middle of trying to get all my e-mail off iCloud and exported to Microsoft Outlook, testing as many random samples as I can as I go along, beofre (hopefully) being able to delete everything on iCloud and then close the @me account .......... If you have any ideas why mails moved into mac mail won't open with macmail, do tell! :-)

    Starting at the top.


    To turn off iCloud completely just sign out.


    iCloud mail is a standard Imap account, what difficulties do you have, just use the same methods as you would for any Imap account (eg: Gmail)


    To export simply right click on a Mailbox and select export mailbox, the mailbox and its content will be saved on your desktop in .mbox format.


    To import it into Outlook is a problem, Microsoft have blessed that program with hardly any import format options, but as a long term IT pro I am sure that you can convert to a format Outlook can read. Frankly I would ignore the import/export road as Outlook is so poor at it, why not just attach the account to Outlook, then move the mail to local folders, if that is an approved IT pro method.


    All of my emails (collected in Mail) open in Mail without issue, so I can't help with your last question.

  • jglaiche Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello all, it's 8.5.13. I just unchecked the Notes box in iCloud System Preferences, and it deleted all the notes from my notes application on my Mac. I did back them up so they are not lost. I REALLY do not want my contacts to be on the cloud. How can I remove them from iCloud without screwing up my address book on my Mac?


    PS: sorry if this is a duplicate question I hadn't gone to every message on the pages yet.

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,335 points)

    Move them from the iCloud account to the On My Mac account (In Address Book), on your Mac.

  • William Porter Level 1 (45 points)



    I think you're being unfair here.


    First, iCloud is from Apple which makes the stuff "for the rest of us." We're not supposed to have to take a course or do research to understand how our contact app works.


    Second: IT DOESN'T WORK THIS WAY IN DROPBOX. If I disconnect from Dropbox (by switching Dropbox accounts, or by turning Dropbox off) all my Dropbox data remains on the computer I just disconnected. That is because Dropbox is a syncing system — and it's completely transparent. I think nearly all Dropbox users understand, without every having to "take the time to understand" anything, that Dropbox keeps a local copy of all your files and simply syncs them with the cloud server.


    Third: I'm not sure that it even works this way with iCloud. I'm not sure if this is the case with your Contacts (may not be) or Calendar (ditto) but many other aspects of iCloud work fairly similarly to Dropbox, that is, there are local copies of files stored on your computer and these are synced with the cloud copy, which in turn syncs with everything else. These local copies are stored at ~/Library/Mobile Documents. Of course, Apple has made the user library folder invisible so you have to use "Go to Folder" and type a path to get there, but there your documents are. Why Dropbox can manage all this right out in the open and Apple can't is a mystery to me. And if Contacts and Calendars are treated differently from documents created by Pages or Numbers or Preview or Text Edit, well, I have no good explanation and I doubt Apple does either.


    Anyway, for a lot of iCloud's features, at least, your analogy to the television is not pertinent.



    Julian Wright wrote:


    If you took the time to understand how iCloud and other online calendar sync services work, you would not think it insane that your calendars disappear when you disconnect from the service.


    The calendar on your phone or computer is simply viewing the master calendar stored on the iCloud server. If you disconnect from the server then quite clearly the calendars will no longer be viewable.


    It's like disconnecting your television set from the cable box, and then expecting your TV programs to still be viewable.

  • Chris CA Level 9 (78,235 points)

    William Porter wrote:




    I think you're being unfair here.

    and it's been almost a year since Julian has posted in this thread...

  • AdamBrown13 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have to agree that iCloud has made me hate Apple.  That takes a lot since all computers, laptops, tablets and phones I own come from Apple, as well as everything I've purchased for everyone else in my family.  Most of all it has mad using iTunes pure misery.  Try flying for example.  Oh sorry, you can't play all of the music you've purchased since iCloud since it is now inaccessible in Airplane mode.  What moron thought this brilliant solution up?  I'm sure there's a technical way to address the issue, but I'm busy and Apply historically has been user friendly.  Now, every time I run in to a problem with an Apple device I have to turn to Google to fix it.  This time I'll call out the Geek Squad and they'll fix the problem because Apple didn't make the solution intuitive and user friendly. 


    I think its hyterical that one person's post starts off his sentence with, "If you took the time to understand..." That used to be Microsoft's answer to everything.  Now apparently it has become Apple's answer too.  Without an intuitive user interface, Apple's design is no longer enough to make it an appealing alternative.  I'm going to fix the devices I have, but begin to convert everything I own away from Apple as I replace them.  The technology is better elsewhere and there is no longer a compelling reason for me to support Apple.  I never thought this day would come.

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,335 points)

    Your music is in iTunes, not iCloud.


    I think its hyterical that one person's post starts off his sentence with, "If you took the time to understand..."


    So I guess you aren't prepared to try.

  • Chris CA Level 9 (78,235 points)

    AdamBrown13 wrote:


    Most of all it has mad using iTunes pure misery.  Try flying for example.  Oh sorry, you can't play all of the music you've purchased

    Why not? I can easily play anything on my iDevice.


    since iCloud since it is now inaccessible in Airplane mode.


    Which device do you suggest using to access the internet when the internet is not available?

  • natteaap Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Mr. or Ms. Csound1,


    you seem to know a great deal about the subject. Maybe you can help me.

    In this thread there is a lot of talk about iCal, contacts, adress book ... but I couldn't find any explanation on how to opt out of iTunes Match.

    Please don't take this personal, but I made a big mistake in going for Match. It did what it promised but it did a lot more that wasn't explained in the tour on the site. So I'm a very unhappy customer and I want to return back to normal and leave my iTunes (which is a very flawd app to begin with, but that is another topic) out of the cloud. The 25 euro's they can keep as idiot money. That teaches me to not trust this company and the lesson is learned.


    I have an external HD with all my music in mp3. I have stored my library as well on my external drive. In the past I fired up the drive, loaded the library and was good to go. But then I went into the cloud and now when I'm not online, I can't play my music. The music is still there, but iTunes Match won't let me play it because I'm not connected to the internet.


    On top of that, the sync to match didn't go smoothly. I lost entire albums and I lost all of my playlists. All of them. That is a flawed product in my opinion.


    I don't want that. That is a condition apple has neglected to mention on their promotalks. So this product is not for me and I want out.


    Is that possible? Is there a way to disable iTunes Match without losing the data, without losing the library? I'm not a iTunes wizzard, so I don't know if it is possible, but can I export the iTunes library and then disconnect from match or is there another way?


    I know I could ask apple's customer service, but I live in europe and I don't have an apple store with a genius here. And my previous encounters with apple's customer service through mail is ... hm ... non-existent on their side of the mail. So I won't bother this time.


    I hope you, or anyone else here, has a solution. Thank you all in advance.



  • natteaap Level 1 (0 points)


    Which device do you suggest using to access the internet when the internet is not available?


    Well Mr CA,

    that is exactly the problem I have with Match. I want to use my MBP with my music on my external drive without the internet. But that is no longer possible. And that is something that is not acceptable for me, personally.

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,335 points)

    Download your music to your Mac, then sign out of Match

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